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yallerdawg

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7. Y'all do know TPP is not "signed"?

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:27 PM

Oct 2015

This is just the beginning of vigorous debate, and TPP is by no means guaranteed to pass in the US.

But let's act like it is some kind of done deal and is being 'shoved down our throats.' Good hyperbolic rhetoric.

Let's not wait for it to be published online so we can read what it actually says. Opinion always trumps fact!

"The end of internet freedom!" Of course.

More like the end of truth...

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TPP signed: the �biggest global threat to the internet� agreed [View all] Turborama Oct 2015 OP

Fear mongering the uninformed. yallerdawg Oct 2015 #1

As someone who personally had the DMCA's Kelvin Mace Oct 2015 #3

If I post this according to this "DEAL" what happens........it has now been signed................. turbinetree Oct 2015 #2

So many people are against this, yet the agreement is still being pushed through by fasttense Oct 2015 #4

"Democratic" is only in quotes. Our President is a Rockefeller Republican. villager Oct 2015 #28

The figures I see are that most Democrats are for it, in principle, while most republicans oppose it pampango Oct 2015 #45

Yes I was looking at the latest polls and unfortunately they are mostly about fast track fasttense Oct 2015 #49

Congress still has to ratify it. Xithras Oct 2015 #5

Me too. And, after all, this is a tactic that Obama himself just advocated for - djean111 Oct 2015 #14

We need international protests everywhere. That is our one hope of bringing it down. ZM90 Oct 2015 #6

Y'all do know TPP is not "signed"? yallerdawg Oct 2015 #7

We still don't have it in front of us, it has been highly secret thus far, corporate Lobbiests Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #10

We don't 'trust' anything. yallerdawg Oct 2015 #11

I believe it will pass, too much $$$$ behind it. Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #13

yup. Phlem Oct 2015 #17

Are you defending even those provisions that will not be published until five years after it is Vincardog Oct 2015 #21

You have a copy of the finalized document already? yallerdawg Oct 2015 #24

So you are defending them because they are secret. OK you are acting like a corporate shill Vincardog Oct 2015 #27

"Acting like a corporate shill." yallerdawg Oct 2015 #42

So tell me Yallerdawg, irrespective of any other provisions in the agreement, do you favor what this cpompilo Oct 2015 #48

Like I said at Post #1... yallerdawg Oct 2015 #50

Unions, universities, professors, state agriculture agencues, environmental groups, etc., had input. Hoyt Oct 2015 #52

No, no, no, no, no, no, no ot the TPP. It is very simply a corporate coup. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #8

A lot of smaller countries are for this, as well. It's not all about massive corporations. randome Oct 2015 #19

And we give up our right to free speech, to vote on issues of importance to us but that a JDPriestly Oct 2015 #35

Um, the TPP will raise living and safety standards for all these countries. randome Oct 2015 #37

And just wait until a few years from now when this can be branded as the "Democrat's" agreement. jalan48 Oct 2015 #9

Just like the Iraq war vote LiberalLovinLug Oct 2015 #15

I agree. Censorship under the guise of free markets. jalan48 Oct 2015 #16

No to TPP Angry Dragon Oct 2015 #12

I really believed in hope and change and a new era. Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #18

Yet you fail to specifically mention what you find so reprehensible about the TPP. randome Oct 2015 #20

The investor dispute panels that let the corporate lawyers be judges are unconstitutional crap. The Vincardog Oct 2015 #22

The investor dispute panels that have been in use since the 90s? randome Oct 2015 #25

Right let the corporate parasites recover "expected future profits" denied them by environmental Vincardog Oct 2015 #29

I don't think you get it. randome Oct 2015 #31

I wish it were true. Vincardog Oct 2015 #33

It's an elegant way to fuck over representative government in favor of corporations n/t eridani Oct 2015 #59

In addition to the investor dispute panels, the fact that when we sign these trade agreements, JDPriestly Oct 2015 #36

I didn't think I had to be so specific about any provision of the TPP. Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #23

Suing other countries only applies in cases of protectionism. randome Oct 2015 #26

Do you have an advance copy of the TPP? How can you know that? Vincardog Oct 2015 #30

No, just my reading and interpretation of what's been said thus far. randome Oct 2015 #32

True it is ridiculous that countries will have to make their laws conform with the ruling of an Vincardog Oct 2015 #34

I do worry about our parks because I understand from a report alleged to be from Wikileaks JDPriestly Oct 2015 #38

I have no idea -none- how the TPP considers states or provinces or whatever. randome Oct 2015 #39

And we will be examining those innards carefully. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #44

No, I don't. Obama does not strike me as that underhanded. randome Oct 2015 #46

Me either, but he is the president. He cannot know everything that goes on at every JDPriestly Oct 2015 #47

I'm betting any amount of money Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #40

Can't believe the amount of people belittling this Corporate Pact d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #41

Don't Democrats insist on facts? yallerdawg Oct 2015 #43

Nope, and a good reason to believe we are doomed. Hoyt Oct 2015 #56

What a load of junk. Hoyt Oct 2015 #51

How many times have you cut and pasted that load of propaganda? Joe Turner Oct 2015 #54

It is scheduled to be released when, and if, Obama signs it. There is no doubt about that. Hoyt Oct 2015 #55

Thanks for proving my point Joe Turner Oct 2015 #57

No it will not be too late. At least you now recognize it will not be years before it is released. Hoyt Oct 2015 #58

TPP = Terrifying Plutocratic Profiteering mhatrw Oct 2015 #53