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In reply to the discussion: Venezuela's Chavez: did U.S. give Latin American leaders cancer? [View all]Judi Lynn
(164,155 posts)84. He most clearly remembers being kidnapped, held outside the country on an island
while a military coup was attempted, before the public finally found out through non-right-wing-controlled media, poured into the streets, surrounded Miraflores, and forced the return of their elected President.
The story is well known by now.
Over a thousand people in Guatemala continued to remember being controlled by U.S. doctors, and infected with sexual diseases, remembered that experience up to the time they died in agony. That story is well known, as well.
In fact, people right here in the United States recalled being injected and forced to experience living hell, too, up until they died, also, helplessly, suffering helplessly at the hands of U.S. government-employed doctors.
The United States government did something that was wrongdeeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens. . . . clearly racist.
President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997
For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for bad blood,1 their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all. The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphiliswhich can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. As I see it, one of the doctors involved explained, we have no further interest in these patients until they die.
The Tuskeegee Experiment and the shocking crimes against Guatemalan people were completely unknown by the U.S. citizens, the ones who footed the bill for this criminality on the part of the U.S. government, completely hidden from the public for a very long time until the information was finally exposed, and revealed to the world.
People who are concerned about the morality of situations like this have been sadly awakened by the truth of the matter for a long time, as well.
It's hardly virgin territory for our own government.
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I think Chavez or the other Latin American leaders would remember being kidnapped
NickB79
Dec 2011
#64
He most clearly remembers being kidnapped, held outside the country on an island
Judi Lynn
Dec 2011
#84
They certainly remember the 100,000 progressive activists that were kidnapped and disappeared
L. Coyote
Dec 2011
#89
And.... we know what happened to the Socialist contender for the presidency of France...
Dover
Dec 2011
#7
I think you're absolutely correct. And I've had 3 VERY liberal, socialist, vocal friends who have
loudsue
Dec 2011
#18
Can you imagine? I remember a wacky conspiracy theory among Native Americans...
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#66
Again, I'll point out that your observation is totally irrelevant to the point.
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#111
I don't think Chavez likes Creedence. And I know HE HATES THE FUCKIN' EAGLES, MAN! nt
Dreamer Tatum
Dec 2011
#127
Unlocked for now. Not LBN, perhaps GD or Good Reads. Here's link to GD topic....
uppityperson
Dec 2011
#5
It's speculation, but on the part of a state leader and being reported in the mainstream news.
JackRiddler
Dec 2011
#13
You may want to put Georgi Ivanov Markov in your ammo box against some of the fools on this thread
Occulus
Jan 2012
#194
Really. If (some of) our leaders could find a way, they know, just know, that ....
Scuba
Dec 2011
#11
The only thing that is 'mindless' is dismissing possibilities with no proof
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#73
They've been doing it for at least 50 years. Most in this thread seem to buy in to the
harun
Jan 2012
#204
Thurgood Marshall died at 84 - two years after he retired from the Supreme Court. nt
hack89
Dec 2011
#132
Don't apologize!! It just adds to the general amusement of threads like these! nt
msanthrope
Dec 2011
#177
You do not address what is said, and, besides, two years is years later, specifically two.
Festivito
Dec 2011
#185
That's the biggest outlier of them all. And IVAD didn't release the poll data.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#107
Notice he didn't die of any form of slow-progressing, long-term cancer like these leaders have
NickB79
Dec 2011
#68
For someone who claims 'bunk', you sure don't know how radiation affects the body.
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#78
Like boppers said it can be induced but other than that I really dont believe thats what has been
cstanleytech
Dec 2011
#49
But it doesn't have to be fast, just fast enough. Besides, it may serve as a warning to
valerief
Dec 2011
#99
How about the silly-assed "how do you know we DIDN'T" vibe coming from people
Dreamer Tatum
Dec 2011
#128
And I'll add that it is completely rational to say "I don't know either way".
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#150
In this thread it seems the scientific ignorance isn't on the side of those making speculations.
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#137
They are claiming that a covert method of giving people different kinds of cancer exists.
hack89
Dec 2011
#148
We know his sexual habits - fucking the people of Venezuela for his own gain. nt
hack89
Dec 2011
#176
Yet you cannot demonstrate this with anything but homegrown corporate propaganda.
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#187
There seem to be a number of people that are willing to acknowledge certain realities.
The Doctor.
Dec 2011
#138
Sorry, but anytime I see "prove it ISN'T true," I ridicule, as anyone should.
Dreamer Tatum
Dec 2011
#160