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7. President Obama was handed an almost unsolvable problems w/ ......

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:53 AM

Oct 2015

..... the mess created by w & Cheney's Iraq war.

"And all the stuff we're seeing today -- the rise of ISIS, the disintegration of the state in Iraq, the disintegration of the state in Syria, I think is directly connected to our invasion," said Clarke.

"We destroyed the state. This is what happens when you destroy a state. You have chaos, you have the rise of factions, regional and ethic factions," he continued. "And I think you can look at that decision and say that's the reason hundreds of thousands -- probably a couple of million if you add it all up -- people have been killed."

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/05/richard-clarkes-lesson-iraq-we-destroyed

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And yes I have grave doubts too about putting US forces into that bloody mess.

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And who do we have to thank for ISIS? Botany Oct 2015 #1

and are Persian Gulf allies who give them money and whoever buys their black market oil yurbud Oct 2015 #2

You know what, this is Obama's puppy now. We have no reason to have a ground operation in TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #3

President Obama was handed an almost unsolvable problems w/ ...... Botany Oct 2015 #7

I'm not saying Obama was responsible for ISIS. I don't believe he was. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #10

doing nothing is also a choice, and one that should be appraised on its own merits geek tragedy Oct 2015 #18

I don't think we've been "doing nothing". We've been conducting airstrikes TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #20

no need to trust, we can think for ourselves nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #21

Strawman betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #42

it was next to nothing nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #44

How can you say it was next to nothing when it produced as many as 5 or 6 fighters? 24601 Oct 2015 #59

It produced about 120 or so fighters, released in two batches. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #61

and Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and Libya, and even Yemen. n/t dixiegrrrrl Oct 2015 #45

And, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Guatemala, Honduras, Cuba, Angola, and other places we've helped. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #48

and because he never held who was responsible accountable Skittles Oct 2015 #60

He funded them when he opted to fund the Syrian opposition betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #41

Libya is no picnic either. CentralMass Oct 2015 #55

Weak. Darb Nov 2015 #71

+ 1000 and please restorefreedom Oct 2015 #36

Obama let them off the hook Skittles Oct 2015 #52

The economy was in free fall, the GDP was in negative #s ,and we were ..... Botany Oct 2015 #53

so we let people who lied their way INTO A WAR off the hook Skittles Oct 2015 #54

I am pissed about that too. Botany Oct 2015 #56

he DIDN'T achieve the "most good" Skittles Oct 2015 #57

yes and no Botany Oct 2015 #58

US ground troops in Syria? WTF uawchild Oct 2015 #4

Don't get so excited! Shemp Howard Oct 2015 #23

ah, yes... good points... uawchild Oct 2015 #40

Which is why we did not really "leave" Iraq....or Afghanistan. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2015 #46

he was always one of them. betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #43

if this was all really about Isis, we'd freeze accounts of gov'ts who gave the money yurbud Oct 2015 #5

+1 GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #17

and it's embarrassing to hear that Russia is bombing the "moderate" rebels when our gov't has yurbud Nov 2015 #65

....x10+ 840high Oct 2015 #32

Sorry Mr President, you have lost me! Paper Roses Oct 2015 #6

"our transgressions into Korea" EX500rider Oct 2015 #16

Oh please Dale Scott Oct 2015 #30

So it's fine if N Korea wants to invade and conquer their neighbor with you? EX500rider Oct 2015 #35

"More robust presence" hibbing Oct 2015 #8

And by what authority do we have the right to put our troops in a sovereign country without Purveyor Oct 2015 #9

The fact that we are able to do so certainly calls into question Syria's sovereignty Freddie Stubbs Oct 2015 #13

Yeah, Putin will be pissed! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #24

Should and most likely will take it before the failing and basically irrelevant UN. eom Purveyor Oct 2015 #33

No country has the right to do this. Francois9 Oct 2015 #63

Didn't his predecessor instigate a "surge" in his war, at about the same time in his presidency? Doctor_J Oct 2015 #11

Actually, Obama has been even less honest and forthcoming than Bush regarding what he's doing. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #15

US to send special forces to Syria as diplomats talk peace bemildred Oct 2015 #12

President Obama breaks pledge: U.S. will send ground troops into Syria bemildred Oct 2015 #14

What would a "diplomatic solution" even look like? metalbot Oct 2015 #50

that text is referring to a diplomatic solution to the civil war karynnj Oct 2015 #64

The old in 'n out. Francois9 Nov 2015 #69

fewer than 50 commandos to help coalition forces coordinate with the local troops Sunlei Oct 2015 #19

I do not believe this will end with just 50 troops. Paper Roses Oct 2015 #22

I agree with you. Shemp Howard Oct 2015 #25

if 50 is the teeth mwrguy Oct 2015 #28

Can we call it war now? n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #26

"I will not put American boots on the ground in Syria." mwrguy Oct 2015 #27

History would suggest that this will not go well. The Russians are dropping bombs like candy and CentralMass Oct 2015 #29

Recommended ONLY for exposure. Duppers Oct 2015 #31

People voted for him because he was anti-war lark Oct 2015 #34

another MIC sellout liar restorefreedom Oct 2015 #37

And history repeats itself WestSeattle2 Oct 2015 #38

shep smith just gave a stunning rebuke and criticism restorefreedom Oct 2015 #39

While Shep Smith is better than most at Fox, he's still a Fox Newers. PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #67

i agree with you about everyone there but shep. during katrina, he was in no restorefreedom Nov 2015 #68

Yay!! More War!! More Glory!! More Billionaires!! Now, if we could just win one. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #47

There's always the mighty Panamanian military to gloriously defeat! n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #51

Obama's preparation for his next "peace prize," no doubt. PSPS Oct 2015 #49

well isn't that special Skittles Oct 2015 #62

Why Syria? I understand Iraq, but they really shouldn't be in Syria. PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #66

Here's why. Francois9 Nov 2015 #70

It's part of PNAC ozone_man Nov 2015 #73

Simple really, Putin said no troops without permission from Assad, Obama said Darb Nov 2015 #72