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In reply to the discussion: Thousands of Mormons Plan to Abandon the Faith This Weekend [View all]Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)37. You need to read up on the documentary: "A Sinner in Mecca"....
Last edited Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:27 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/05/a-sinner-in-mecca-gay-filmmaker-on-a-hajj-of-defianceThis is a gay man who is a devout Muslim, and who went to Mecca even though he put himself in terrible danger just to practice his faith. Which is to say, you can't demand that any liberal who is a Mormon "explain" themselves if you don't demand it, as well, of any other member of a bigoted religion (and that includes all the oldies). Why is anyone Jewish, a Christian, etc. given what the bible says about the sin of homosexuality? Or how to treat women, etc.? Why is this gay man still a devout Muslim?
Here's the thing: What we're drawn to, or love, we love in spite of its flaws. That includes loving people who aren't perfect, and it includes loving countries that aren't perfect, and it includes loving political parties and politicians that aren't perfect. There are always points past which any of these can go and not be forgiven by a given person; a point at which the church, country, person or politician will lose the follower. But we humans have a lot of...well, hope/delusion (you decide), and we have a difficult time giving up that which we're used to or which gives us comfort, or which we just like no matter how bad it is, even bad to us.
Putting it another way, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. YOU believe in something or someone--a country, political party, politician, person, whatever, that probably has let you down in one way or another. Someone else may demand to know how you can still believe in them given this, to "explain yourself!"--but just because it seems "obvious" to them that this is unforgivable doesn't mean it seems "obvious" to you. You know this thing, and it gives you something you need, and you get to decide at what point the wrongs it's doing are so unforgivable that you can't remain with it any longer.
There is no excusing the bad a thing or a person does. But there is 'forgiving" the bad in the assumption that, eventually, the country, religion, person or politician will shed that bad and only the good that we love in that thing will remain. Most liberals who are still loyal to their country, religion, etc. see in it the potential to do that. To change for the better. They may be total wrong, and if they are, that thing will lose them. But until then, that's all the explanation there is. "I like this thing, I need this thing, I believe it can get past this bad (which I don't believe in) and be good." And, "I'm not giving up on this good thing simply because it has lost its way. If I leave it, who will be in it to help change it?"
You don't have to agree with any of this, but that's the explanation. And we're all guilty of thinking it, now and again, in regards to something or someone.
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Lol. Their religion is bigoted and nasty and hateful at its core. Sold by greasy, smiling snake-oil
jtuck004
Nov 2015
#57
" raising happy children in very good homes" < Adhering to a religion of bigoty and hate - how
jtuck004
Nov 2015
#64
Lol. "manifests against religion " < Poor, poor religionists. Hypocrites packed into
jtuck004
Nov 2015
#68
Adheriing strictly to a fundementalist religion is the very definition of bigotry.
LiberalLovinLug
Nov 2015
#92
They are big enough to stand up to bullies, or support and become them, and not hide behind
jtuck004
Nov 2015
#76
I think they usually wait until you have been dead for 110 years to baptize you, but I believe that
StevieM
Nov 2015
#18
The LDS Church keeps people on the membership rolls unless they formally resign in writing.
StevieM
Nov 2015
#8
I think the Book of Mormon originally said that their skin became "white and delightsome."
StevieM
Nov 2015
#26
No, it's not the same. The Catholic Church will baptize the children of LGBT. n/t
pnwmom
Nov 2015
#90
Lacking pre-qualifiers, "ANY religious person" directly implies radical fringe groups.
LanternWaste
Nov 2015
#50
Sadly, the new policy also mandates that when the child turns 18 they must disavow
StevieM
Nov 2015
#16
Well as someone who grew up in the church your assumptions are not what I experienced n/t
FreeState
Nov 2015
#97
Youth Group is Mutual, right? I thought the night of Mutual varied, from week to week. (eom)
StevieM
Nov 2015
#99
thank you for this--just reinforces how whacked they are. let us not forget the white horse
niyad
Nov 2015
#34
Mormons have to fill out a form to 'quit' their church? Isn't that a Corporate tactic?
Sunlei
Nov 2015
#43
Or, a person can undertake acts of an apostate, and have their name struck
HereSince1628
Nov 2015
#79