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Igel

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16. Part of the problem was a desire to distribute the pain fairly.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:03 PM
Nov 2015

If you lived in a district with higher water use your district had a steeper water reduction target.

Apple Valley, 28%. Los Angeles, 16%. That was billed as fair. Hit the heavy users at a collective level, don't just have a common 19% or 20% reduction for every district. District-level targets make sense--local authorities can decide how best to deal with local issues and circumstances. Contracts for water are at the district level, where districts pull together a variety of water sources to meet demand and have different mixes of people connected to a municipal water supply or to wells that draw from regulated (or unregulated) aquifers.

So this particular family suffers under a 28% reduction, billed as "fair" at the time. Meanwhile, those in LA used less on average and had lower targets.

Except there are exceptions and individuals for whom it's not fair. Suddenly we redefine "fair" from district level to individual level. We shift the definitions, we shift the conversation, because we don't like some individual consequences. In small districts there will naturally be fewer extreme outliers; in large districts, there'll be more.

It works the same with averages and distributing consequences. In every case where penalties or perks are distributed to a group there are outliers. To some extent the commons is always abused. It's only a tragedy when it's over-used (or when the few people who overuse it are so well-publicized that it appears that it's being vastly over-used and abused). We're very sensitive to being treated unfairly, as we define it (and insensitive to being treated too generously, since we deserve it). Take a recent bit of research: You're happier making $12/hr if everybody else makes about the same for similar work than you are making $15/hr if others are making $19/hr for the same kind of work. You may be worse off in absolute terms, but you're not worse off in relative terms. ("Envy" is often closely synonymous with "fairness".) Every rule that tries to be fair will have examples of what appears to be unfair. Exceptionless rules, zero-tolerance rules, don't usually work out well. We've tried zero tolerance in all sorts of places in society and invariably they're still unfair to somebody, even if they're billed as perfection itself ahead of time.

The vast majority of Angelenos are conserving water. It's unclear whether or not the "Wet Prince" is, in fact, given this article. Has he reduced water usage by 16%? Can't know. But it's unfair that he's using so much more. Again, we change the goalposts based on exceptions.

This finds allies among those who want to the state to regulate every household. The problem is, that this would also have bad individual consequences for some.

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"178 gallons per person each day". I think the article misstated the family's use. That's quiet.. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #1
but but but...... swimming pools, water slides, and plush lawns groundloop Nov 2015 #2
Five swimming pools for one residence?!? whathehell Nov 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author groundloop Nov 2015 #3
USGS says average 80-100 gal day per person bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #5
That seems high, twice as much as we use to use.. vkkv Nov 2015 #10
what does all that water get used for? I can't imagine my house using that much water - albeit we trillion Nov 2015 #31
Yards here require require irrigation or they revert to dry dirt. hunter Nov 2015 #11
Amen ++++ to your last paragraph (n/t) bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #22
The middle class family is either suffering from a massive leak or inaccurate reporting diane in sf Nov 2015 #23
And this surprises whom? n/t malthaussen Nov 2015 #4
Richie rich's parasitic nature keeps sucking. lonestarnot Nov 2015 #6
Its not one monolithic government. Apple Valley may have gotten the shaft in terms of water rights. AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #7
"Tinkle Down Economics " vkkv Nov 2015 #8
We've reached the point sulphurdunn Nov 2015 #9
Part of the problem was a desire to distribute the pain fairly. Igel Nov 2015 #16
Las Angles is a costal city sulphurdunn Nov 2015 #20
hopefully those who use over the suggested gals. pay premium price for excessive water use. Sunlei Nov 2015 #12
k and r...nt Stuart G Nov 2015 #13
Wow..This is just wrong..Does California really have a democratic governor in Jerry Brown?? whathehell Nov 2015 #14
Water laws in California are utterly Byzantine... hunter Nov 2015 #25
Thanks for that information.. whathehell Nov 2015 #28
Hasn't changed much, sadly. hunter Nov 2015 #29
Okay, I enjoyed that. Never head of the movie. Guess it's cause I don't watch TV except on trillion Nov 2015 #33
That sounds fair. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #17
Apple Valley is a desert town that automatically asseses fines. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #18
Meanwhile, in the Palm Springs area Z_California Nov 2015 #19
Wow, and yeah they should be targeted. trillion Nov 2015 #34
Laws are made to protect the interests of the wealthy. nt valerief Nov 2015 #21
Love that pic and can I borrow it? greiner3 Nov 2015 #27
Sure, take it. nt valerief Nov 2015 #30
The middle class family is either suffering from a massive leak or inaccurate reporting diane in sf Nov 2015 #24
in my small city shanti Nov 2015 #26
Glad this article made the NYTimes. Time to protest the rich. trillion Nov 2015 #32
It's called ... aggiesal Nov 2015 #35
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