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Adrahil

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96. They have been hitting ethnic Turkmen near the Turkish border.

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:42 AM

Nov 2015

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2015/11/23/russia-assad-strike-at-turkmens-giving-daesh-a-free-hand-in-syria-1448218954

These are not Daesh (ISIS) fighters.

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Russia says jet shot down near Turkey-Syria border [View all] MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 OP

This whole fucking region. I'm sorry, but too many dicks swinging in the breeze over there. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #1

It already is WW3 Chico Man Nov 2015 #12

I think WW4. I view WW3 was the cold war and China won. harun Nov 2015 #40

It would be a hell of a note if it was a French fighter jet. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #2

Looks like a Su-24 MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #4

Bingo... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #5

The bad news they were both shot by turkmen as they landed... Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #60

BREAKING: Russian Jet Su-24 Crashed on Syrian-Turkish Border (Sputnik News) CJCRANE Nov 2015 #3

Moscow confirms warplane downed on Syria border by Turkey was Russian Su-24 MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #6

Russia says plane shot down by Turkey was in Syrian airspace MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #7

"One of the pilots was in the hands of Turkmen forces in Syria" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #8

What possible reason would the Turks have to shoot down this plane? coyote Nov 2015 #9

IMHO, it has to do with this BumRushDaShow Nov 2015 #11

If the Kurds form Kurdistan, roughly 1/3rd of Turkey will try to secede to join it jeff47 Nov 2015 #105

Yup. nt BumRushDaShow Nov 2015 #169

They warned the plane leftynyc Nov 2015 #13

The radar track they've released makes the incursion look a lot less than 5 minutes muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #20

Yup, just as I thought. coyote Nov 2015 #23

Like I said leftynyc Nov 2015 #26

The number I heard was 17 seconds. Massacure Nov 2015 #172

right anout isis imo. this is about the kurds and turkey restorefreedom Nov 2015 #33

I guess its time for Syria and Russia jamzrockz Nov 2015 #88

You sound very bloodthirsty leftynyc Nov 2015 #104

ISIS isn't in that part of Syria. Russia was dropping bombs on anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS. jeff47 Nov 2015 #106

They are all terrorists jamzrockz Nov 2015 #124

You're the one who started nuking a NATO ally. jeff47 Nov 2015 #125

Gonna clarify jamzrockz Nov 2015 #129

Idiotic. Codeine Nov 2015 #108

I will go away jamzrockz Nov 2015 #127

Turkey is a member of NATO, and have warned the Russians repeatedly about violating their airspace. That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #14

^^ Too many fighters in too small an area. Recursion Nov 2015 #17

The jury is out on Turkey's role CJCRANE Nov 2015 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Cayenne Nov 2015 #67

Egodan is clinically insane Demeter Nov 2015 #15

I agree, he is delusional...fucking off the charts. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #31

What would you do? Let a foreign powers fighter jets fly over your country all they want? harun Nov 2015 #45

It was there for less than a minute forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #137

You'd think differently if Mexico called in Russian fighter jets to buzz the border of Texas. harun Nov 2015 #143

This isn't the first time this has happened. Adrahil Nov 2015 #171

Lot's of reasons. Turkey lives in a very rough neighborhood. harun Nov 2015 #42

It looks like? jamzrockz Nov 2015 #86

The plane was bombing anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS. jeff47 Nov 2015 #103

Why doesn't Russia, Assad et al Aria36 Nov 2015 #115

Russia is bombing Isis, that's the problem. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #142

Sometimes they are bombing ISIS. At other times they are bombing those who are fighting ISIS like pampango Nov 2015 #155

Does the Syrian govt have a right to defend itself CJCRANE Nov 2015 #170

Yes. And Russia should be honest that it's main goal is supporting a dictator that grants them bases pampango Nov 2015 #187

The sponsors are Aria36 Nov 2015 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Nov 2015 #10

Merde. This could get really dangerous really fast. Recursion Nov 2015 #16

Moscow could incinerate Istanbul with the push of a button. Let us KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #35

Turkey is a NATO ally. Which means an attack on Turkey put's Russia at war with 28 countries. harun Nov 2015 #43

And they have control over the Bosporus Straits and the Dardanelles. joshcryer Nov 2015 #46

Overheard in 10 Downing St., ca. August 1914. "That Princip is just KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #49

Putin isn't stupid. joshcryer Nov 2015 #55

Truer words have seldom been uttered here. I sure hope He KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #56

A military historian points out Putin needs to send his fuel via the Straits muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #126

Yep, that's what I was getting at. joshcryer Nov 2015 #141

Russia will cut off their gas, and winter is coming. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #158

No they won't. joshcryer Nov 2015 #182

Exactly. It will be tough talk, but when it comes to money, suprise harun Nov 2015 #197

Looks like you're right: grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #201

Turkey pays its bills. joshcryer Nov 2015 #205

Turkey is a NATO ally . . . except when she is ISIS' ally. With KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #54

Allies is the wrong word and certainly not since Oct. joshcryer Nov 2015 #59

Turkey is well documented to a supporter of ISIS. Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #61

But I thought Turkey is our Ally. Would that mean we KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #71

+1,000,000. Yes, they are. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #72

The only good thing jamzrockz Nov 2015 #97

ISIS is not in that part of Syria. So no, they were not defending ISIS militants. jeff47 Nov 2015 #110

It makes no difference jamzrockz Nov 2015 #118

Bullshit he is. Erdogan just has a bigger problem with Kurdish rebels. So he harun Nov 2015 #145

yes, a Nato ally and anti-Assad. Thats why russias jet was there, russia targets any anti-assads Sunlei Nov 2015 #147

What worries me is that shit has a way of going on autopilot. PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #90

Less often than billed. Igel Nov 2015 #144

Sort of what happened in August 1914. The various leaderships of the major powers wer trying to find KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #149

We need to kick Turkey out of NATO, they are allied with ISIL. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #164

Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot down over Syria - Russian MoD (VIDEO) CJCRANE Nov 2015 #19

1 pilot reported dead muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #21

Putin must accept responsiblity for this incident. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #22

What??? coyote Nov 2015 #24

Who the Fuck does Turkey think it is, the Ottoman Empire? Jesus KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #37

Putin getting put in his place makes some people have a sad snooper2 Nov 2015 #64

we shall see who has the final sad. my guess is it wont be Putin. I see KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #65

Legitimate government of Syria? harun Nov 2015 #44

Recognized as such by the UN. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #50

Legally 'legitimate' not morally 'legitimate' in the eyes of liberals. Dictators (even secular ones) pampango Nov 2015 #73

Yeah I know, I've heard that several times lately.. EX500rider Nov 2015 #167

More & more Aria36 Nov 2015 #84

Two reasons, as far as I can tell. Igel Nov 2015 #146

But are those reasons valid? Aria36 Nov 2015 #173

Last I checked, that did NOT include authority to violate Turkish airspace. Adrahil Nov 2015 #92

WTF????? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #36

Perfect user name FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #41

Almost a vanity account name...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #62

NATO calls 'extraordinary meeting' after Turkey downs Russian jet MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #25

Russian Pres. Putin: Describes Incident As ‘Backstabbing By Accomplices Of Terrorists’ MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #27

Uh oh. Doesn't matter who is right or wrong now, but how neverforget Nov 2015 #28

^THIS^ Adsos Letter Nov 2015 #120

unconfirmed reports that both pilots were killed muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #29

cnn just reporting restorefreedom Nov 2015 #48

Update: one pilot is alive, and was rescued by the Syrian army muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #185

Putin pushers frothing for WWIII on Twitter. joshcryer Nov 2015 #30

Your not the most insightful analyst..nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #63

WWIII was started with the invasion of Iraq, if you're going to blame anyone. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #76

Absolutely. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #163

Wonderful. blackspade Nov 2015 #32

Finally We Have Our Own Air Force Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 #34

Great comic. very a propos. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #38

Nailed it! n/t ozone_man Nov 2015 #47

That might be accurate if Russia were limiting itself to ISIS targets. They aren't. nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #91

Who are they targeting? Aria36 Nov 2015 #93

They have been hitting ethnic Turkmen near the Turkish border. Adrahil Nov 2015 #96

But why in the world would they attack ethnic turkmen near the Turkish border? jamzrockz Nov 2015 #98

Because Russia is acting as Assad's air force, and those Turkmen are fighting Assad. jeff47 Nov 2015 #114

This is amazing jamzrockz Nov 2015 #121

Those Turkmen militants are Syrian people. jeff47 Nov 2015 #128

I really don't care who they are jamzrockz Nov 2015 #132

Then why'd you make a huge point about who they are? jeff47 Nov 2015 #161

Oh jamzrockz Nov 2015 #165

He's been brutal for decades. Just like Saddam and Gadaffi. jeff47 Nov 2015 #166

I will tell you what I think jamzrockz Nov 2015 #168

+1,000,000. Every bit of this horror is because of our brutal foreign policies polly7 Nov 2015 #175

The Turkmen are fighting the Kurds. joshcryer Nov 2015 #138

Here's one bit of hypocrisy. Igel Nov 2015 #148

OK Aria36 Nov 2015 #100

Turkey needs ISIS to keep the Kurds from forming their own country. jeff47 Nov 2015 #123

Kurds only make up 9% of Turkey's population. joshcryer Nov 2015 #139

Land area versus population. jeff47 Nov 2015 #160

No they don't. joshcryer Nov 2015 #180

And the way they "wouldn't let" is a civil war. Which they'd really prefer to not fight jeff47 Nov 2015 #195

The PKK already does terrorist attacks. joshcryer Nov 2015 #198

You think they'll do fewer if a civil war breaks out? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #199

The other 99% of Kurds don't back them... joshcryer Nov 2015 #200

So ISIS grows while all the other factions weaken Aria36 Nov 2015 #179

No, they're trying to play a balancing act and keep both factions weak. jeff47 Nov 2015 #196

That's why ISIS has gotten stronger. joshcryer Nov 2015 #204

A lot of ISIS "controlled" area is desert Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #202

Jets have had couple days of 'open season' on any oil tank type trucks. Jet could have been Sunlei Nov 2015 #39

Once again, Turkey effectively allies itself with ISIS. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #51

This is due to Russia bombing ethnic Turkmen villages. joshcryer Nov 2015 #57

Don't confuse the Putinistas with facts. nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #94

I saw that too. The Turkmen (ethnic Turks, Syrian citizens) are fighting ISIS. Why bomb them? pampango Nov 2015 #95

Be on the watch. joshcryer Nov 2015 #112

Nah ......... the anti-death of two innocent pilots and the loss to their families cadre. polly7 Nov 2015 #119

Because? Aria36 Nov 2015 #89

Only because we're thinking binary. Igel Nov 2015 #151

In theory.... odd_duck Nov 2015 #52

You're confusing the Russian word "terrorist" with the English word. Igel Nov 2015 #152

fuckwad john bolton saying it is russias fault restorefreedom Nov 2015 #53

Bolton personifies chutzpah- nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #58

John Bolton has a whole bunch of supporters here on DU too. Nihil Nov 2015 #186

what is weird restorefreedom Nov 2015 #188

I've wondered about that myself. bemildred Nov 2015 #189

well,the president seems to be rolling over for turkey restorefreedom Nov 2015 #190

Obama-love varies widely here and elsewhere, I think. bemildred Nov 2015 #191

i haven't heard his latest comments restorefreedom Nov 2015 #194

Everybody crowding in to fight Daesh should come up with a plan to recognize the White hats from the Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #66

I am so channeling August 1914 right now - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #77

this will be interesting restorefreedom Nov 2015 #68

Why would Turkey do this? Aria36 Nov 2015 #69

Turkey has a right to defend its airspace davidn3600 Nov 2015 #75

It doesn't look like several airspace violations Aria36 Nov 2015 #82

Lots of money to be made smuggling ISIS oil out daleo Nov 2015 #70

Everyone is happily taking ISIS oil. joshcryer Nov 2015 #80

Why wasn't the west hitting the tankers all along daleo Nov 2015 #156

Because of public opinion. joshcryer Nov 2015 #181

And yet the U.S. Blows up other countries' infrastructure quite often daleo Nov 2015 #183

NATO aircraft from NATO nation shooting down a Russian aircraft is an act of war. coyote Nov 2015 #74

sure, lets go ahead and just flagrantly provoke KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #79

Even if the intial plane shootdown could be justified Aria36 Nov 2015 #113

This makes sense jamzrockz Nov 2015 #78

I hear ya, but I sure hope Putin is enough of a mensch to stiff KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #81

LOL joshcryer Nov 2015 #83

Putin's reaction is more restrained than what I have in mind jamzrockz Nov 2015 #85

Oh man, that's even funnier. joshcryer Nov 2015 #87

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #101

But why? jamzrockz Nov 2015 #109

Put it back in your pants, little man. Codeine Nov 2015 #111

Stick and stones may break my bones jamzrockz Nov 2015 #134

... alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #117

I tend to agree with you. PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #131

Turkey warned Russia repeatedly to stay out of its airspace. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #99

NATO has taken the side of the Islamists since day 1 LittleBlue Nov 2015 #102

RIP Russian pilots forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #107

Many people here on DU say Putin is nuts... Xolodno Nov 2015 #116

Because nothing says "Oh, shit!" like the Turks shooting down a Russian war plane. hedgehog Nov 2015 #122

You beat me to it! hardluck Nov 2015 #150

This just in from WikiLeaks. Turkey issued 10 warnings in 5 minutes? LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #130

More like, this is jamzrockz Nov 2015 #133

Am I reading that correctly, they were only in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds? PersonNumber503602 Nov 2015 #135

No. I think Turkey did not like them being that close to the border. Then the LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #136

No, that's known as itching for a fight daleo Nov 2015 #157

If one does the math, the "incursion" time would have been much shorter. roamer65 Nov 2015 #177

Sure sounds like it. ozone_man Nov 2015 #184

Not the first time. Igel Nov 2015 #153

Amazing forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #140

...+1 840high Nov 2015 #154

Isn't it though. +1000. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #159

Reports they also shot the pilots while parachuting, a war crime. We need to kick them out of NATO. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #162

Obama should NEVER have pardoned truthisfreedom Nov 2015 #174

I remember that. Symbolism is Everything. freshwest Nov 2015 #206

This is what Daddy Erdogan does when Russia messes up his son's illicit oil profiteering. roamer65 Nov 2015 #178

You sure Edrogan knows anything about this before it happened? happyslug Nov 2015 #192

Sputnik appears to share your doubts: bemildred Nov 2015 #193

Interesting thread Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #203