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uawchild

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25. uh ok....

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:11 PM

Nov 2015

The original Turkish spin was this:

"Turkey said its fighter jets have shot down a warplane after it violated Turkey’s airspace. The jet was warned 10 times in the space of five minutes over airspace violations before it was shot down by F-16 fighter jets, the Turkish military said in a statement."

So... Turkey warned it 10 times in the space of 5 minutes about airspace violations that did not happen yet? Ok....

The Turkish radar tracking showing a single seconds long incursion (light blue line is border)

OK, still seems trigger happy to me, but I understand a nation's airspace needs to be respected and protected.

But didn't Turkey violate Syrian airspace previously? Oh, yeah, they did..

Turkish warplanes bomb ISIS positions in Syria for the first time
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/middleeast/turkey-syria-isis-violence/

Does this means Russia would have the right to shoot down Turkish airplanes over Syria if asked to do so by the Syrian government?

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Russian entry into Turkish airspace lasted 'seconds': U.S. official [View all] uawchild Nov 2015 OP

Saber-rattling step two. How happy is a clam anyway? mahannah Nov 2015 #1

I've never heard one complain jberryhill Nov 2015 #37

It may have been seconds, but at what velocity? n/t xocet Nov 2015 #2

huh? that makes no sense... uawchild Nov 2015 #3

No doubt, bias compels us to accept one version as absolute truth LanternWaste Nov 2015 #5

Uh - no leftynyc Nov 2015 #17

uh ok.... uawchild Nov 2015 #25

Sigh leftynyc Nov 2015 #33

deep sigh uawchild Nov 2015 #34

I was speaking legally leftynyc Nov 2015 #35

Who is at war with whom? uawchild Nov 2015 #36

Syria has been in a civil leftynyc Nov 2015 #48

they weren't even in airspace for 10 minutes restorefreedom Nov 2015 #40

As the Russian jets were headed to the Syrian border they were given warnings tammywammy Nov 2015 #49

That is a good question for you to ask yourself. How does a path depend on velocity? xocet Nov 2015 #43

Here is the Radar Track as released by Turkey happyslug Nov 2015 #16

Turkey was pissed that the Russians were also bombing... Xolodno Nov 2015 #20

Please remember, the Turkish Army is NOT supportive of the President of Turkey. happyslug Nov 2015 #21

You bring some interesting perspectives to the discussion daleo Nov 2015 #24

Turkey already sent multiple letters of protest in previous incidents. jeff47 Nov 2015 #27

So you shoot down a jet for flying 17 seconds into your air space happyslug Nov 2015 #38

Thank you for the extra information. I appreciate it. n/t xocet Nov 2015 #44

Now, when I posted that the talk was still of a Ground to Air Missile, but now it is F-16 happyslug Nov 2015 #46

The Patriot air defense systems that were loaned to Turkey a couple years ago tammywammy Nov 2015 #51

Article here says they warned it starting 15 km away. Still, 5 min seems too long for it to fly 15 k uppityperson Nov 2015 #4

The bending-over-backwards for Russia around here is hilarious BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #6

Wow, that doesn't sound very Democratic. Sounds more like what the Republicons would say. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #8

You can add the President to your doubtlessly long list of people who sound Republican BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #10

as someone who grew up in the middle of the Cold War, i don't read this as nashville_brook Nov 2015 #9

If you'd like to avoid another war, defending sovereign airspace rights is one place to start BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #11

How about we start in Syria jamzrockz Nov 2015 #12

uh huh, and being in a proxy war in Syria is a great way to...start a war. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #14

IIRC Sherman A1 Nov 2015 #7

One rule for Russia, another for Turkey Angel Martin Nov 2015 #52

russia has to stop their willie nillie bombing Jets. they bomb the crap out of the entire of syria Sunlei Nov 2015 #13

K & R N/T w0nderer Nov 2015 #15

Well, that was mighty white of someone to call Turkey on their BS Demeter Nov 2015 #18

It's Erdogan getting nervous and NATO enabling him Nyan Nov 2015 #19

This is just insane, what is happening. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #30

Yeah, I think so, unfortunately... Nyan Nov 2015 #54

What an idiotic, irresponsible move by Turkey. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #22

They probably couldnt wait to take down a Russian jet! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #28

Have to wonder... Xolodno Nov 2015 #23

They were shot over Turkey. But it takes a while to fall from 20,000 feet jeff47 Nov 2015 #29

According to this map.... Xolodno Nov 2015 #32

+1 million! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #26

International rules of engagement outside of war are pretty clear, and Turkey violated them. Xithras Nov 2015 #31

esp since our president restorefreedom Nov 2015 #41

And yet the wreckage and crew were in Syria eissa Nov 2015 #39

The jet didn't just fall to the ground. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #45

How do you give 10 warnings in 5 minutes for something that took 17 seconds? roamer65 Nov 2015 #47

Erdogan is a lying fucking psycopath. But his lies make it possible polly7 Nov 2015 #50

You warn as they approach to change course. n/t tammywammy Nov 2015 #53

Locking GP6971 Nov 2015 #55