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Cali_Democrat

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86. Yes he is

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:01 PM

Nov 2015

Russia has violated Turkey's airspace numerous times and they've sent letters of protest in the past. Duration doesn't matter when you violate someone's airspace. A violation is a violation.

Russia was bombing anti-Assad forces along the Turkish border which are not affiliated with ISIS.

It was only a matter of time.

Did Putin expect NATO to be throwing flowers at him?

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Obama Says Turkey Has Right to Defend Airspace [View all] BeyondGeography Nov 2015 OP

Well THIS is getting interesting underpants Nov 2015 #1

This is true. Turkey's been annoyed at Russian incursions since Russian involvement in TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #2

Defend its airspace from what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #3

Ankara has already issued concerns to Moscow in regards to previous unwarranted incursions. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #4

Did they warn Russia that they WOULD start shooting down jets? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #6

warning from Turkey that future violations could lead to an implementation of... LanternWaste Nov 2015 #7

Yup, Turkey has been asking Russia to stop entering its airspace and either Russia choose to ignore cstanleytech Nov 2015 #8

Just curious ... GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #40

It's not pilot incompetence. Xithras Nov 2015 #76

I might be willing to accept your explanation except that it's happened multiple times cstanleytech Nov 2015 #98

I suspect there had been previous sternly worded diplomatic cables Zorro Nov 2015 #9

Unannounced incursion into a country's airspace by warplanes of a foreign power is an act of war Spider Jerusalem Nov 2015 #19

Greece should declare war on Turkey then forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #94

So what Munificence Nov 2015 #109

Of course the US would shoot them down. harun Nov 2015 #21

It's Russia. Since when do they listen to the concerns of others? Ukraine anyone? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #25

Putin gets a lot of love around here sometimes, so who knows randys1 Nov 2015 #31

It's uncomfortable, and something I hope we don't need to be concerned about. nt Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #37

GOP loves KGB, and I see some of that love here at DU. fact and we both know it randys1 Nov 2015 #39

Two posters spring to mind immediately. Whenever the topic is Russia, they go on defense. It's.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #46

Or race, if Black or Brown is involved in a conversation you will see MANY members here randys1 Nov 2015 #48

Russia shot down a 747 for flying into Russian airspace jeff47 Nov 2015 #64

Does Syria have a right to defend its airspace? bemildred Nov 2015 #5

Any country can try to defend its airspace, succeeding at it is an entirely different issue. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #13

Do you think that is what Obama means? They can try if they want? bemildred Nov 2015 #14

Someone looks stupid here BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #15

Yah, I agree Putin does look stupid but thats not surprising. nt cstanleytech Nov 2015 #18

Right, shooting down a Russian plane is brilliant. bemildred Nov 2015 #23

And we can thank Putin for failing to understand that all this was quite predictable BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #27

Ummm, Turkey did not shoot the copter down. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #28

Flying repeatedly over sovereign airspace after being warned not to seems even more brilliant. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #33

But it's all ok, polly7 Nov 2015 #43

YEAH...Our "MSM" has Bias Comparing this to "9/11" .......what happened in France! KoKo Nov 2015 #101

I cannot read minds so I cannot claim to know what Obama meant. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #16

Well thank you for clarifying your own thoughts on the subject then. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #20

Think August 1914 with nuclear arsenals added into the mix. Why, what could KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #44

I'm just trying to figure out if we have that (WWI) level of stupid again in our political classes. bemildred Nov 2015 #49

I fervently hope Putin resists the advice of his hardliners. Otherwise, French KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #50

I think he will go after the Turkmen is Syria, if he goes after anybody. bemildred Nov 2015 #52

Sure. However, we blew up their ability to actually do so. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #63

Good one! ozone_man Nov 2015 #108

I was first baffled by the headline They_Live Nov 2015 #10

Levity BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #11

Me too. geardaddy Nov 2015 #12

You make jokes, christx30 Nov 2015 #17

Me, too - but that brought up the memory of csziggy Nov 2015 #116

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Nov 2015 #22

My bet is be on him not accepting responsibility and blaming Turkey instead. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #24

Exactly what war or wars has Putin mongered, oh wise one? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #53

You mean beside the stealing of the Crimea and the invasion of the Ukraine... EX500rider Nov 2015 #65

You clearly have no idea what 'war monger' means and, by your jejeune comments KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #114

"according to you" You mean? EX500rider Nov 2015 #115

Wow! I think that Obama should have condemned Turkey's rusty fender Nov 2015 #26

I agree. Nt darkangel218 Nov 2015 #30

Turkey is in NATO for a reason. We're not going to side with Russia in this matter. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #32

unlike Russia, Turkey is anti-Assad and a nato ally. Sunlei Nov 2015 #34

SU-24's entered service in 1974 and cost about $24 million each EX500rider Nov 2015 #68

24 million, thats expensive for an old jet. Wonder what Putin charges Assad. Sunlei Nov 2015 #70

I thinks that's cost as built new in 1997 dollars... EX500rider Nov 2015 #71

This is what Obama would really like to see happen BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #35

Why would the U. S. Want to wipe out ISIS? ozone_man Nov 2015 #105

But of course! BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #111

Obama also killed Kennedy NobodyHere Nov 2015 #112

....x10+ 840high Nov 2015 #45

Obama may have a chip on his shoulder about Russia Democat Nov 2015 #54

Won't happen. Xolodno Nov 2015 #61

You don't get to cross a country's border without their permission. jeff47 Nov 2015 #66

Wait.... Condemn Turkey? Why not Russia? Adrahil Nov 2015 #95

Hollande-Obama presser, that was a long and very good live presser by both of them. Sunlei Nov 2015 #29

Footage Reveals Who Shot Down Russian Rescue Helicopter at Syrian Border � And It Looks Pretty Bad bemildred Nov 2015 #36

Attacking persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I polly7 Nov 2015 #42

good luck prosecuting it restorefreedom Nov 2015 #67

only if they have been removed from combat.... mike_c Nov 2015 #77

Did Obama condemn these war crimes? Democat Nov 2015 #55

Hahah oh shit. Russia is going to pave that entire region. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #58

Yep, and arm the Kurds. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #60

Those are our boys! ozone_man Nov 2015 #107

Right and left wing Obama haters like to post a photoshop of Putin talking to "little boy" Obama alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #38

The man can play a hand, not that you'd realize it at that presser BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #41

Why does that make you happy? 840high Nov 2015 #47

because Putin is a bully and a thug who needs to be told to fuck himself sideways alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #51

I would rather USA and Russia worked together. 840high Nov 2015 #56

There's nothing about telling Putin to stop fucking around that precludes that alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #57

Putin is all that, a bully and a thug. BUT AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #59

Give it up Obama... MattSh Nov 2015 #62

well now its clear why obama did not want to prosecute cheney and bush restorefreedom Nov 2015 #69

Oh, for the love of tinfoil BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #73

he should have called it out. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #90

LOL! PNAC!!! Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #80

you don't think some dems have signed on to it? restorefreedom Nov 2015 #91

Why is Turkey attacking a country that is fighting its enemy? eissa Nov 2015 #72

Turkey is anti-Assad & a NATO ally (of course anti IS, like every other country in the world) Sunlei Nov 2015 #74

Because the Russian bombing run wasn't against ISIS. Igel Nov 2015 #75

Thats bs. ISIS took down a Russian commercial plane, darkangel218 Nov 2015 #82

Because Turkey is really against ISIS on paper only. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #79

Glad someone gets it eissa Nov 2015 #100

I would ask Putin first why he apparently thinks Russia can arbitrarily ignore Turkey's request cstanleytech Nov 2015 #99

Mr. Obama is wrong here. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #78

Mr. Obama is correct. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #81

No he is not. nt. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #83

Yes he is. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #84

No he isn't. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #85

Yes he is Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #86

Russia was bombing ISIS! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #88

I read what you posted before the delete. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #89

Obama is Wrong Here.... KoKo Nov 2015 #103

And I suppose it's ok to commit the war crime of shooting the pilots in parachutes???? grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #92

Obviously they're ok with it. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #93

Couldn't Turkey have just sent up a handful of jets to escort Russian pilot back out? JudyM Nov 2015 #96

Erdogan isn't much in the MOOD to do that, though... KoKo Nov 2015 #104

Turkey couldn't do that because they would have been in Syrian airspace. roamer65 Nov 2015 #106

Almost like they were waiting for one false move, and then.... attack. Nt JudyM Nov 2015 #110

OMG, I thought Obama was making a joke about flying turkeys! Lil Missy Nov 2015 #97

President Obama shouldn't have said that Joe Turner Nov 2015 #102

Agreed. christx30 Nov 2015 #113

Very strong language Aria36 Nov 2015 #117