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33. How can we say this is Erdogan's decision????

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:05 PM

Nov 2015

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Erdogan main opposition is in the Turkish military and their allies. Thus this may be independent of him and in fact what he opposes. I do not want to defend Erdogan, but this may have been done by his opposition within the military. Turkey is split. It appears to be alone class lines. The lower classes support Erdogan. The top 10% supporting the generals. (This is the same split we are seeing in Egypt). Sorry this could have been decided by the generals with no input from Erdogan or the rest if his AK party.

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And suposedly.... Xolodno Nov 2015 #35

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If this was first incident for a Russian military jet violating Turkeys airspace I would agree cstanleytech Nov 2015 #51

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...^ that 840high Nov 2015 #21

Rather Putin be straight-jacketed for for ignoring 72 hours worth of warnings to cease and desist LanternWaste Nov 2015 #28

How can we say this is Erdogan's decision???? happyslug Nov 2015 #33

The US/NATO/Gulf alliance is determined nyabingi Nov 2015 #29

true CullenBohannon Nov 2015 #32

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Do you understand the Geography of Syria? happyslug Nov 2015 #42

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also CullenBohannon Nov 2015 #34

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How moderate of them nt Aria36 Nov 2015 #39

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And who will supply Turkey is Oil and Natural Gas?????? happyslug Nov 2015 #46