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101. YEAH...Our "MSM" has Bias Comparing this to "9/11" .......what happened in France!

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:46 PM

Nov 2015

Pumping it all up to Profit of MIC!

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So Far there seems conflicting Reports abuot what happen to Russian Plane Fliers...

"First Reports" in "Fog of War" are often not true........

Yet......the reports are out there..so, should be considered truth until proven wrong that Turkey Shot Down the Russian Jet the Pilot/Co-Pilot jettisoned and were shot down as they landed.

A Russsian Helicopter arriving "On Scene" has the Pilot shot down and killed and the Turkmen's killed both pilots of the Russian Jet, shot down.

Supposedly, NEW REPORTS say the Russian Pilots survived and are being held in Turkey....

So what is the TRUTH OF IT? Whatever the MSM says...and until we see those Pilots Live......I reserve my judgement on what REALLY HAPPENED.

Lets see those two Pilots and the Helicopter Pilot for Rescue ....ALIVE and Speaking to the MSM before we got with the latest narrative.

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Obama Says Turkey Has Right to Defend Airspace [View all] BeyondGeography Nov 2015 OP

Well THIS is getting interesting underpants Nov 2015 #1

This is true. Turkey's been annoyed at Russian incursions since Russian involvement in TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #2

Defend its airspace from what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #3

Ankara has already issued concerns to Moscow in regards to previous unwarranted incursions. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #4

Did they warn Russia that they WOULD start shooting down jets? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #6

warning from Turkey that future violations could lead to an implementation of... LanternWaste Nov 2015 #7

Yup, Turkey has been asking Russia to stop entering its airspace and either Russia choose to ignore cstanleytech Nov 2015 #8

Just curious ... GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #40

It's not pilot incompetence. Xithras Nov 2015 #76

I might be willing to accept your explanation except that it's happened multiple times cstanleytech Nov 2015 #98

I suspect there had been previous sternly worded diplomatic cables Zorro Nov 2015 #9

Unannounced incursion into a country's airspace by warplanes of a foreign power is an act of war Spider Jerusalem Nov 2015 #19

Greece should declare war on Turkey then forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #94

So what Munificence Nov 2015 #109

Of course the US would shoot them down. harun Nov 2015 #21

It's Russia. Since when do they listen to the concerns of others? Ukraine anyone? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #25

Putin gets a lot of love around here sometimes, so who knows randys1 Nov 2015 #31

It's uncomfortable, and something I hope we don't need to be concerned about. nt Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #37

GOP loves KGB, and I see some of that love here at DU. fact and we both know it randys1 Nov 2015 #39

Two posters spring to mind immediately. Whenever the topic is Russia, they go on defense. It's.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #46

Or race, if Black or Brown is involved in a conversation you will see MANY members here randys1 Nov 2015 #48

Russia shot down a 747 for flying into Russian airspace jeff47 Nov 2015 #64

Does Syria have a right to defend its airspace? bemildred Nov 2015 #5

Any country can try to defend its airspace, succeeding at it is an entirely different issue. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #13

Do you think that is what Obama means? They can try if they want? bemildred Nov 2015 #14

Someone looks stupid here BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #15

Yah, I agree Putin does look stupid but thats not surprising. nt cstanleytech Nov 2015 #18

Right, shooting down a Russian plane is brilliant. bemildred Nov 2015 #23

And we can thank Putin for failing to understand that all this was quite predictable BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #27

Ummm, Turkey did not shoot the copter down. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #28

Flying repeatedly over sovereign airspace after being warned not to seems even more brilliant. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #33

But it's all ok, polly7 Nov 2015 #43

YEAH...Our "MSM" has Bias Comparing this to "9/11" .......what happened in France! KoKo Nov 2015 #101

I cannot read minds so I cannot claim to know what Obama meant. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #16

Well thank you for clarifying your own thoughts on the subject then. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #20

Think August 1914 with nuclear arsenals added into the mix. Why, what could KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #44

I'm just trying to figure out if we have that (WWI) level of stupid again in our political classes. bemildred Nov 2015 #49

I fervently hope Putin resists the advice of his hardliners. Otherwise, French KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #50

I think he will go after the Turkmen is Syria, if he goes after anybody. bemildred Nov 2015 #52

Sure. However, we blew up their ability to actually do so. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #63

Good one! ozone_man Nov 2015 #108

I was first baffled by the headline They_Live Nov 2015 #10

Levity BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #11

Me too. geardaddy Nov 2015 #12

You make jokes, christx30 Nov 2015 #17

Me, too - but that brought up the memory of csziggy Nov 2015 #116

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Nov 2015 #22

My bet is be on him not accepting responsibility and blaming Turkey instead. cstanleytech Nov 2015 #24

Exactly what war or wars has Putin mongered, oh wise one? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #53

You mean beside the stealing of the Crimea and the invasion of the Ukraine... EX500rider Nov 2015 #65

You clearly have no idea what 'war monger' means and, by your jejeune comments KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #114

"according to you" You mean? EX500rider Nov 2015 #115

Wow! I think that Obama should have condemned Turkey's rusty fender Nov 2015 #26

I agree. Nt darkangel218 Nov 2015 #30

Turkey is in NATO for a reason. We're not going to side with Russia in this matter. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #32

unlike Russia, Turkey is anti-Assad and a nato ally. Sunlei Nov 2015 #34

SU-24's entered service in 1974 and cost about $24 million each EX500rider Nov 2015 #68

24 million, thats expensive for an old jet. Wonder what Putin charges Assad. Sunlei Nov 2015 #70

I thinks that's cost as built new in 1997 dollars... EX500rider Nov 2015 #71

This is what Obama would really like to see happen BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #35

Why would the U. S. Want to wipe out ISIS? ozone_man Nov 2015 #105

But of course! BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #111

Obama also killed Kennedy NobodyHere Nov 2015 #112

....x10+ 840high Nov 2015 #45

Obama may have a chip on his shoulder about Russia Democat Nov 2015 #54

Won't happen. Xolodno Nov 2015 #61

You don't get to cross a country's border without their permission. jeff47 Nov 2015 #66

Wait.... Condemn Turkey? Why not Russia? Adrahil Nov 2015 #95

Hollande-Obama presser, that was a long and very good live presser by both of them. Sunlei Nov 2015 #29

Footage Reveals Who Shot Down Russian Rescue Helicopter at Syrian Border � And It Looks Pretty Bad bemildred Nov 2015 #36

Attacking persons parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I polly7 Nov 2015 #42

good luck prosecuting it restorefreedom Nov 2015 #67

only if they have been removed from combat.... mike_c Nov 2015 #77

Did Obama condemn these war crimes? Democat Nov 2015 #55

Hahah oh shit. Russia is going to pave that entire region. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #58

Yep, and arm the Kurds. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #60

Those are our boys! ozone_man Nov 2015 #107

Right and left wing Obama haters like to post a photoshop of Putin talking to "little boy" Obama alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #38

The man can play a hand, not that you'd realize it at that presser BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #41

Why does that make you happy? 840high Nov 2015 #47

because Putin is a bully and a thug who needs to be told to fuck himself sideways alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #51

I would rather USA and Russia worked together. 840high Nov 2015 #56

There's nothing about telling Putin to stop fucking around that precludes that alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #57

Putin is all that, a bully and a thug. BUT AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #59

Give it up Obama... MattSh Nov 2015 #62

well now its clear why obama did not want to prosecute cheney and bush restorefreedom Nov 2015 #69

Oh, for the love of tinfoil BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #73

he should have called it out. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #90

LOL! PNAC!!! Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #80

you don't think some dems have signed on to it? restorefreedom Nov 2015 #91

Why is Turkey attacking a country that is fighting its enemy? eissa Nov 2015 #72

Turkey is anti-Assad & a NATO ally (of course anti IS, like every other country in the world) Sunlei Nov 2015 #74

Because the Russian bombing run wasn't against ISIS. Igel Nov 2015 #75

Thats bs. ISIS took down a Russian commercial plane, darkangel218 Nov 2015 #82

Because Turkey is really against ISIS on paper only. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #79

Glad someone gets it eissa Nov 2015 #100

I would ask Putin first why he apparently thinks Russia can arbitrarily ignore Turkey's request cstanleytech Nov 2015 #99

Mr. Obama is wrong here. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #78

Mr. Obama is correct. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #81

No he is not. nt. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #83

Yes he is. nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #84

No he isn't. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #85

Yes he is Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #86

Russia was bombing ISIS! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #88

I read what you posted before the delete. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #89

Obama is Wrong Here.... KoKo Nov 2015 #103

And I suppose it's ok to commit the war crime of shooting the pilots in parachutes???? grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #92

Obviously they're ok with it. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #93

Couldn't Turkey have just sent up a handful of jets to escort Russian pilot back out? JudyM Nov 2015 #96

Erdogan isn't much in the MOOD to do that, though... KoKo Nov 2015 #104

Turkey couldn't do that because they would have been in Syrian airspace. roamer65 Nov 2015 #106

Almost like they were waiting for one false move, and then.... attack. Nt JudyM Nov 2015 #110

OMG, I thought Obama was making a joke about flying turkeys! Lil Missy Nov 2015 #97

President Obama shouldn't have said that Joe Turner Nov 2015 #102

Agreed. christx30 Nov 2015 #113

Very strong language Aria36 Nov 2015 #117