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46. Now, when I posted that the talk was still of a Ground to Air Missile, but now it is F-16

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:51 PM

Nov 2015

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The blue dots and lines, I suspect is the F-16 flight. It is traditional in military maps for enemies to be in Red and Friendly forces in Blue.

Furthermore it is now clear two MIG-24 were in operation at that same time, thus the two red lines. Notice the line STOP as the blue line (I suspect for the F-16) closes in to SYRIAN TERRITORY. It appears to be a dash, and if that is the case that F-16 subsequently entered Syrian territory. i.e. fire its missile and THEN entered Syrian Air Space. Thus the termination of all place tracks. The Turkish Air Force does NOT want to show its plane violated Syrian Air Space.

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So you shoot down a jet for flying 17 seconds into your air space happyslug Nov 2015 #38

Thank you for the extra information. I appreciate it. n/t xocet Nov 2015 #44

Now, when I posted that the talk was still of a Ground to Air Missile, but now it is F-16 happyslug Nov 2015 #46

The Patriot air defense systems that were loaned to Turkey a couple years ago tammywammy Nov 2015 #51

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