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In reply to the discussion: Russia says jet shot down near Turkey-Syria border [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)206. I remember that. Symbolism is Everything.
Obama Pardons Turkey In Stunning Abuse of Executive Power (XP)
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This week, President Obama will pardon a turkey in advance of the Thanksgiving holiday. The Office of Legal Counsel has released a 4,000-page memorandum setting forth the constitutional and statutory justifications for this controversial executive action, rooted largely in the authority granted to him under Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, as well as the Eighth Amendment and also the Perdue Family Farms Charter. Moreover, as the OLC memo notes, presidents have been pardoning turkeys for decades. As the OLC opinion further indicates, the presidents constitutional authority to pardon turkeys may well date back all the way to the Lincoln administration, pursuant to President Lincolns son Tad pleading with his father to let the turkey destined for the familys Christmas dinner live. Lincoln cheerily allowed the turkey to roam the White House, and the family feasted on a Tofurky in its stead.
Obamas Republican critics were quick to denounce presidential claims that the turkey pardon authority rests squarely within the enumerated powers of the executive branch. Sen. Ted Cruz published an op-ed in Politico titled Obama Is Not a Monarch in which he excoriated Obamas plan to pardon the turkey as lawless. In it, Cruz posited that despite widespread popular resistance to turkey amnesty, President Obama appears to be going forward. It is lawless. It is unconstitutional. He is defiant and angry at the American people. If he acts by executive diktat, President Obama will not be acting as a president, he will be acting as a monarch...
House Speaker John Boehner tweeted, The president has said before that he's not a king & hes not an emperor, but he sure is acting like one. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum called the turkey pardon just another in a long line of power grabs by this administration.
And Michele Bachmann, in a Nov. 20 email fundraising appeal for her PAC, charged President Obama with going far beyond giving lawless turkeys amnesty, affording them the actual rights and privileges of full citizenship: What could more fundamentally transform our nation than making our precious American citizenshipand the rule of lawmerely commodities to be dispensed with as our Imperial President sees fit, flooding our land with illegal turkeys which will forever alter our way of life? Bachmann also added that the newly pardoned turkeys would soon be able to vote: The Democrats are licking their wounds after their terrible defeats this month, and are viewing these millions of illegal turkeys as the delicious shock troops for their leftist agenda...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2014/11/white_house_thanksgiving_will_the_president_s_turkey_pardon_start_a_wave.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110227065
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^^^ This is how it begins ^^^
This week, President Obama will pardon a turkey in advance of the Thanksgiving holiday. The Office of Legal Counsel has released a 4,000-page memorandum setting forth the constitutional and statutory justifications for this controversial executive action, rooted largely in the authority granted to him under Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, as well as the Eighth Amendment and also the Perdue Family Farms Charter. Moreover, as the OLC memo notes, presidents have been pardoning turkeys for decades. As the OLC opinion further indicates, the presidents constitutional authority to pardon turkeys may well date back all the way to the Lincoln administration, pursuant to President Lincolns son Tad pleading with his father to let the turkey destined for the familys Christmas dinner live. Lincoln cheerily allowed the turkey to roam the White House, and the family feasted on a Tofurky in its stead.
Obamas Republican critics were quick to denounce presidential claims that the turkey pardon authority rests squarely within the enumerated powers of the executive branch. Sen. Ted Cruz published an op-ed in Politico titled Obama Is Not a Monarch in which he excoriated Obamas plan to pardon the turkey as lawless. In it, Cruz posited that despite widespread popular resistance to turkey amnesty, President Obama appears to be going forward. It is lawless. It is unconstitutional. He is defiant and angry at the American people. If he acts by executive diktat, President Obama will not be acting as a president, he will be acting as a monarch...
House Speaker John Boehner tweeted, The president has said before that he's not a king & hes not an emperor, but he sure is acting like one. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum called the turkey pardon just another in a long line of power grabs by this administration.
And Michele Bachmann, in a Nov. 20 email fundraising appeal for her PAC, charged President Obama with going far beyond giving lawless turkeys amnesty, affording them the actual rights and privileges of full citizenship: What could more fundamentally transform our nation than making our precious American citizenshipand the rule of lawmerely commodities to be dispensed with as our Imperial President sees fit, flooding our land with illegal turkeys which will forever alter our way of life? Bachmann also added that the newly pardoned turkeys would soon be able to vote: The Democrats are licking their wounds after their terrible defeats this month, and are viewing these millions of illegal turkeys as the delicious shock troops for their leftist agenda...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2014/11/white_house_thanksgiving_will_the_president_s_turkey_pardon_start_a_wave.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110227065
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This whole fucking region. I'm sorry, but too many dicks swinging in the breeze over there.
Ed Suspicious
Nov 2015
#1
Moscow confirms warplane downed on Syria border by Turkey was Russian Su-24
MowCowWhoHow III
Nov 2015
#6
If the Kurds form Kurdistan, roughly 1/3rd of Turkey will try to secede to join it
jeff47
Nov 2015
#105
The radar track they've released makes the incursion look a lot less than 5 minutes
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2015
#20
ISIS isn't in that part of Syria. Russia was dropping bombs on anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.
jeff47
Nov 2015
#106
Turkey is a member of NATO, and have warned the Russians repeatedly about violating their airspace.
That Guy 888
Nov 2015
#14
What would you do? Let a foreign powers fighter jets fly over your country all they want?
harun
Nov 2015
#45
You'd think differently if Mexico called in Russian fighter jets to buzz the border of Texas.
harun
Nov 2015
#143
Sometimes they are bombing ISIS. At other times they are bombing those who are fighting ISIS like
pampango
Nov 2015
#155
Yes. And Russia should be honest that it's main goal is supporting a dictator that grants them bases
pampango
Nov 2015
#187
Turkey is a NATO ally. Which means an attack on Turkey put's Russia at war with 28 countries.
harun
Nov 2015
#43
A military historian points out Putin needs to send his fuel via the Straits
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2015
#126
ISIS is not in that part of Syria. So no, they were not defending ISIS militants.
jeff47
Nov 2015
#110
yes, a Nato ally and anti-Assad. Thats why russias jet was there, russia targets any anti-assads
Sunlei
Nov 2015
#147
Sort of what happened in August 1914. The various leaderships of the major powers wer trying to find
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2015
#149
we shall see who has the final sad. my guess is it wont be Putin. I see
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2015
#65
Legally 'legitimate' not morally 'legitimate' in the eyes of liberals. Dictators (even secular ones)
pampango
Nov 2015
#73
Russian Pres. Putin: Describes Incident As ‘Backstabbing By Accomplices Of Terrorists’
MowCowWhoHow III
Nov 2015
#27
WWIII was started with the invasion of Iraq, if you're going to blame anyone. nt.
polly7
Nov 2015
#76
That might be accurate if Russia were limiting itself to ISIS targets. They aren't. nt
Adrahil
Nov 2015
#91
But why in the world would they attack ethnic turkmen near the Turkish border?
jamzrockz
Nov 2015
#98
Because Russia is acting as Assad's air force, and those Turkmen are fighting Assad.
jeff47
Nov 2015
#114
And the way they "wouldn't let" is a civil war. Which they'd really prefer to not fight
jeff47
Nov 2015
#195
Jets have had couple days of 'open season' on any oil tank type trucks. Jet could have been
Sunlei
Nov 2015
#39
I saw that too. The Turkmen (ethnic Turks, Syrian citizens) are fighting ISIS. Why bomb them?
pampango
Nov 2015
#95
Nah ......... the anti-death of two innocent pilots and the loss to their families cadre.
polly7
Nov 2015
#119
Everybody crowding in to fight Daesh should come up with a plan to recognize the White hats from the
Agnosticsherbet
Nov 2015
#66
NATO aircraft from NATO nation shooting down a Russian aircraft is an act of war.
coyote
Nov 2015
#74
Because nothing says "Oh, shit!" like the Turks shooting down a Russian war plane.
hedgehog
Nov 2015
#122
Am I reading that correctly, they were only in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds?
PersonNumber503602
Nov 2015
#135
No. I think Turkey did not like them being that close to the border. Then the
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#136
Reports they also shot the pilots while parachuting, a war crime. We need to kick them out of NATO.
grahamhgreen
Nov 2015
#162
This is what Daddy Erdogan does when Russia messes up his son's illicit oil profiteering.
roamer65
Nov 2015
#178