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112. Nice try.

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 10:38 PM

Dec 2011

Well, not really.

This is about 'feasibility', not 'fantasy'. If you can't make that distinction, then this isn't a discussion you probably want to have.

But let me try to help out anyhow:

There exists evidence that anyone with the proper resources can inflict cancer upon whomever they choose.

There exists no evidence of invisible unicorns to begin with.

Your very impotent attempt to conflate the two is kind of embarrassing. To you, not me.

Dismissing the possibility without evidence to the contrary is blatantly naïve and prejudiced. The best anyone can conclude without direct evidence is 'I don't know, but it's possible'.

So I'm going to ask you; given that we know for a fact that cancer can indeed be inflicted on a person and that there are entities in control of the vast resources that would love to see Chavez and others dead, can you admit to the possibility that the CIA or other extra-legal entities might attempt to use such techniques to dispatch foreign leaders?

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Venezuela's Chavez: did U.S. give Latin American leaders cancer? [View all] Dover Dec 2011 OP

we'll have to take good care of Evo Enrique Dec 2011 #1

The East German Secret police used to blast dissidents with x-rays... hunter Dec 2011 #2

Looks like Chavez has been blasting himself with beef and cheese rays nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #3

Cheap shot. Ken Burch Dec 2011 #37

I think Chavez or the other Latin American leaders would remember being kidnapped NickB79 Dec 2011 #64

Needn't be radiation... hunter Dec 2011 #76

He most clearly remembers being kidnapped, held outside the country on an island Judi Lynn Dec 2011 #84

Without writing another history book on Latin America... Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #156

They certainly remember the 100,000 progressive activists that were kidnapped and disappeared L. Coyote Dec 2011 #89

And all leftists... Dover Dec 2011 #4

Hmmm..I WAS wondering about that. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #6

And.... we know what happened to the Socialist contender for the presidency of France... Dover Dec 2011 #7

I think you're absolutely correct. And I've had 3 VERY liberal, socialist, vocal friends who have loudsue Dec 2011 #18

You realize you are now straying into industrial strength conspiracy theory? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #56

Can you imagine? I remember a wacky conspiracy theory among Native Americans... The Doctor. Dec 2011 #66

Comparing the transmissibility of smallpox with various forms of cancer? NickB79 Dec 2011 #70

There is no 'logical fallacy' there. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #81

You can't "catch" cancer. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #86

Which is entirely irrelevant to the point. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #110

So propose a mechanism whereby you can give someone colon cancer. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #113

HPV Demeter Dec 2011 #114

Wrong hack89 Dec 2011 #115

Give them a plutonium colonoscopy. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #121

So the CIA stuck plutonium up Hugo's ass? hack89 Dec 2011 #122

I didn't say anything of the sort. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #124

So how did the CIA give Hugo colon cancer? hack89 Dec 2011 #125

You really don't see how transparent you are. Here it is again: The Doctor. Dec 2011 #134

So Saint Hugo is talking shit? What a suprise. hack89 Dec 2011 #135

Thanks so much. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #140

So those vaunted Cuban doctors didn't notice the radiation burns? hack89 Dec 2011 #145

It's fun watching you employ your tactics. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #169

Ah - the old plutonium up the ass trick. CIA favorite I have heard. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #171

Georgi Ivanov Markov Occulus Jan 2012 #193

Killed by an easily detected ricin pellet. No cancer. hack89 Jan 2012 #199

I am sure the science has evolved hang a left Dec 2011 #90

The old Area 51 gambit hack89 Dec 2011 #120

You really don't see how transparent you are, do you? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #123

Smallpox was well understood - cancer not so well hack89 Dec 2011 #85

And you know this arikara Dec 2011 #95

Inoculation against smallpox goes back to the 1500s hack89 Dec 2011 #96

Aww, don't be such a killjoy.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #108

Again, I'll point out that your observation is totally irrelevant to the point. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #111

To bad those other posters aren't as smart as you. hack89 Dec 2011 #178

Yes, it's such a darn shame. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #179

Your logic would fit in well hack89 Dec 2011 #181

loudsue! Aren't you a sight for sore eyes! Dover Dec 2011 #126

Hi Dover! It's so nice to see you posting again! loudsue Dec 2011 #157

Which does tend to give Chavez' musings a bit more creedence. Ken Burch Dec 2011 #12

I don't think Chavez likes Creedence. And I know HE HATES THE FUCKIN' EAGLES, MAN! nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #127

He must love Mojo Nixon, then. Ken Burch Dec 2011 #129

Obviously, you're not a golfer nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #144

Did they all spend time in WTC tower 7 as well? Capn Sunshine Dec 2011 #25

That makes no sense at all. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #67

he is being a jerk hang a left Dec 2011 #91

Unlocked for now. Not LBN, perhaps GD or Good Reads. Here's link to GD topic.... uppityperson Dec 2011 #5

It's speculation, but on the part of a state leader and being reported in the mainstream news. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #13

But wouldn't these leaders' closest aides also be affected? JDPriestly Dec 2011 #15

Easily. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #71

You may want to put Georgi Ivanov Markov in your ammo box against some of the fools on this thread Occulus Jan 2012 #194

And Teddy Kennedy died from it this past year. loudsue Dec 2011 #19

That's not necessarily part of a pattern though. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #75

BBC posted it at roughly the same time as the OP's Reuters source. dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #35

Nothing would shock me - look at what we tried to do to Castro: Peregrine Took Dec 2011 #8

Bush reinstituted a policy allowing the assassination of world leaders... Dover Dec 2011 #9

Really. If (some of) our leaders could find a way, they know, just know, that .... Scuba Dec 2011 #11

As if Fredge Dec 2011 #10

Well of course they can, and do. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #14

This is the type of mindless paranoia COLGATE4 Dec 2011 #17

Which leads to other forms of paranoia... zeemike Dec 2011 #20

I rest my case COLGATE4 Dec 2011 #53

You never made much of a case to begin with. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #74

wowzer. that's some twisted "logic" cali Dec 2011 #77

You would have to be able to grasp logic The Doctor. Dec 2011 #82

Logically speaking, you are dividing by zero. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #151

Oh, and you would also have to prove... Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #153

You're not reading the thread you're in. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #166

Oh, this is just wind-peeing then. Thanks for the heads up. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #167

The only thing that is 'mindless' is dismissing possibilities with no proof The Doctor. Dec 2011 #73

The Unicorn defense? Confusious Dec 2011 #88

Wasn't Stalin's modus operandi to label dissenters as insane? nt Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #101

Nice try. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #112

Spend a lot of time there? n/t bitchkitty Dec 2011 #97

He sure likes to jerk our chain, doesn't he? nt bemildred Dec 2011 #16

Wow. Just wow. Taverner Dec 2011 #21

Read "Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man" GETPLANING Dec 2011 #22

+1000 DeSwiss Dec 2011 #23

Sadly, I have to agree. Mr_Jefferson_24 Dec 2011 #30

Funny How Most on this Thread Don't Know about This... fascisthunter Dec 2011 #102

They've been doing it for at least 50 years. Most in this thread seem to buy in to the harun Jan 2012 #204

Can't just keep giving people heart attacks. Ahem-Thurgood-ahem-Marshall. Festivito Dec 2011 #24

Thurgood Marshall died at 84 - two years after he retired from the Supreme Court. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #132

Why do you bring facts into this? nt msanthrope Dec 2011 #170

Bad habit of mine - sorry. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #172

Don't apologize!! It just adds to the general amusement of threads like these! nt msanthrope Dec 2011 #177

'The Earth revolves around the Sun'. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #197

Still sticks in my craw that something caused him to retire when he did. Festivito Dec 2011 #182

The cause was simple - he was old and sick! hack89 Dec 2011 #183

You do not address what is said, and, besides, two years is years later, specifically two. Festivito Dec 2011 #185

He had a long history of illness - his death was not sudden hack89 Dec 2011 #186

plane crashes are so yesterday certainot Dec 2011 #26

The acceptance of the "conspiracy theory" meme REQUIRES shitcanning this. saras Dec 2011 #27

It seems the phrase "conspiracy theory" Mr_Jefferson_24 Dec 2011 #31

Speculation without evidence that a court will accept: Conspiracy Theory. boppers Dec 2011 #41

Not sure where you got that... Mr_Jefferson_24 Dec 2011 #47

Using the expression "conspiracy theory" is guised censorship. Under Dog Dec 2011 #180

Needs a fitting for a sombrero del papel de aluminio, Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #28

LOL! BadtotheboneBob Dec 2011 #46

easily amused? hang a left Dec 2011 #94

Perhaps for the time being we can only wonder... Mr_Jefferson_24 Dec 2011 #29

"Covert Ops" are covert because they are illegal! L. Coyote Dec 2011 #93

Here's the definition... Mr_Jefferson_24 Dec 2011 #117

COINTELPRO unionworks Dec 2011 #32

You have a source? Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #33

Chavez muses on US Latin America cancer plot dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #34

Wow, "it's probable." "Has credence." joshcryer Dec 2011 #36

Kinda like in Honduras, right? txlibdem Dec 2011 #38

...and the MOSSAD brain rays. boppers Dec 2011 #39

I hate to sound like a repig, but do you have any dotymed Dec 2011 #58

Personal opinion, following the elections closely. joshcryer Dec 2011 #105

Chavez�s Approval Rating at 71.5% in IVAD Poll, Ultimas Says Judi Lynn Dec 2011 #106

That's the biggest outlier of them all. And IVAD didn't release the poll data. joshcryer Dec 2011 #107

Here's every poll released over the past year: joshcryer Dec 2011 #109

What would be the use in that? treestar Dec 2011 #40

Cancer *can* be induced. boppers Dec 2011 #42

Who would be subjected to daily x-rays? treestar Dec 2011 #43

X-rays are not the only delivery method txlibdem Dec 2011 #44

Do you really believe that cancer can be caused this way???? COLGATE4 Dec 2011 #54

Cancer is not a communicable disease treestar Dec 2011 #57

*With exceptions boppers Dec 2011 #118

You can't be serious. n/t Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #59

You seriously think cancer can spread like that? NickB79 Dec 2011 #72

Researchers have induced cancer for ages AlphaCentauri Dec 2011 #61

...in very specific kinds of genetic strains. boppers Dec 2011 #119

Also Richard D Dec 2011 #62

Alexander Litvinenko? AlphaCentauri Dec 2011 #63

Notice he didn't die of any form of slow-progressing, long-term cancer like these leaders have NickB79 Dec 2011 #68

For someone who claims 'bunk', you sure don't know how radiation affects the body. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #78

"A single atom of plutonium has a 98% probability"... boppers Jan 2012 #213

A quick question... The Doctor. Jan 2012 #215

Well, chances are, you would have some decay in that case. boppers Jan 2012 #216

Which causes very specific types of cancer, such as leukemia. NickB79 Dec 2011 #65

Like boppers said it can be induced but other than that I really dont believe thats what has been cstanleytech Dec 2011 #49

But it doesn't have to be fast, just fast enough. Besides, it may serve as a warning to valerief Dec 2011 #99

Sorry but thats way to much out in Roswell area for me cstanleytech Dec 2011 #100

Of course, it's speculation. That's all we have. nt valerief Dec 2011 #104

From a technological standpoint, sounds about right. truthisfreedom Dec 2011 #45

If true, kudos to President Obama Freddie Stubbs Dec 2011 #48

Yep, dotymed Dec 2011 #52

Ah, another brainwashed minion of the M$M. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #79

TPTB in America, and the elitists everywhere would stop at dotymed Dec 2011 #50

Very unlikely IMO LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #51

Their minds are made up. Don't confuse them with facts. COLGATE4 Dec 2011 #55

Whose minds are 'made up'? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #83

Not necessarily. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #149

Oooh, we're up to a *few* atoms? boppers Jan 2012 #214

Seems like China would be a better suspect. Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #60

This is a nutty thread jzodda Dec 2011 #69

Like what? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #80

How about the silly-assed "how do you know we DIDN'T" vibe coming from people Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #128

If you are that na�ve of the science, The Doctor. Dec 2011 #136

"Certain substances have a very high chance of causing cancer." Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #143

That is correct. Some higher than others, of course. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #162

I hope you are neither a lawyer nor a logician. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #163

And I'll add that it is completely rational to say "I don't know either way". The Doctor. Dec 2011 #150

Conspiracy Theories depend on scientific ignorance hack89 Dec 2011 #87

In this thread it seems the scientific ignorance isn't on the side of those making speculations. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #137

When that speculation devolves into an Area 51 argument hack89 Dec 2011 #139

Which is a deliberate strawman on your part. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #146

They are claiming that a covert method of giving people different kinds of cancer exists. hack89 Dec 2011 #148

How can 'no one else know' about something I just described? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #152

So we are back to the CIA putting plutonium up Hugo's ass. OK nt hack89 Dec 2011 #154

No wonder my plutonium dildo can't seem to get patented. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #155

That is surprising to you? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #164

So we have ruled out a plutonium enema and/or dildo for Chavez. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #165

No, we have done nothing of the sort. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #174

We know his sexual habits - fucking the people of Venezuela for his own gain. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #176

Yet you cannot demonstrate this with anything but homegrown corporate propaganda. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #187

Their skyrocketing crime and inflation rates speak for themselves. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #201

And your source for this is what now? The Doctor. Jan 2012 #206

Are you serious? This is common knowledge. hack89 Jan 2012 #208

"Citations" The Doctor. Jan 2012 #210

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #211

That's a silly thing to believe. You should really make up your mind. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #161

Not flailing. Just laughing. You are sooo serious. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #173

I must have found the wacky corner of DU. nt Confusious Dec 2011 #92

I always figured the U.S. "cancered" troublemakers to the Empire. nt valerief Dec 2011 #98

Cancer is a virus and vruses are easily weaponized. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2011 #103

Cancer isn't a virus LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #131

I thought conspiracy theories were against the TOS Sanguineneck Hank Dec 2011 #116

It was a joking remark which the BBC link makes perfectly clear. dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #130

The Chavistas at DU don't appear to be joking. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #133

There seem to be a number of people that are willing to acknowledge certain realities. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #138

Because it has high entertainment value? hack89 Dec 2011 #142

And you've been very entertaining. Thank you. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #159

There are entire web sites devoted to the "hard science" of creationism hack89 Dec 2011 #175

So 'creationism' and 'nuclear physics' share the same footing for you? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #188

No - it's the bizarre logic that stitches together hack89 Dec 2011 #191

You mean like the conspiracy theory that so many DUers have bought into The Doctor. Jan 2012 #192

The fact you can't tell the difference is telling hack89 Jan 2012 #198

That went clean over your head. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #200

I like to stick to science and real facts hack89 Jan 2012 #203

So, you don't believe the energy industry has conspired to cover-up The Doctor. Jan 2012 #205

I was thinking more about the CIA sticking plutonium up Hugo's ass. hack89 Jan 2012 #207

Secrecy is not a requirement of a conspiracy. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #209

Never said they did not hack89 Jan 2012 #212

Which is of course bullshit. The Doctor. Jan 2012 #217

Spreaking of desperation... Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #147

The more derision you resort to, the more weak you appear. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #158

Sorry, but anytime I see "prove it ISN'T true," I ridicule, as anyone should. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #160

Therein lies the proof of your dishonesty. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #189

Man, could you ever benefit from a few courses in logic. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2011 #190

Don't carcinogens cause cancer? Occulus Jan 2012 #195

The Chavezistas won't go so far as to say it DID happen. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #196

This is the funniest thread on DU in a LONG time! Thanks Hugo! BeHereNow Dec 2011 #141

On the up side... Steerpike Dec 2011 #168

He could get a job with Comedy Central Mudoria Dec 2011 #184

what, did we sell them cigarettes? 0rganism Jan 2012 #202

There are two questions here really: Fool Count Jan 2012 #218

slow poison katsung47 Jan 2012 #219

they did it to arafat! agnesangst Feb 2013 #220