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L. Coyote

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22. Are you saying mosques commit crimes, not people?

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:28 AM

Dec 2015

You can't have it both ways. People commit crimes. Mosques are Islamic religious buildings. Are you advocating for fighting crime by closing religious buildings?

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'France likely to close more than 100 mosques' [View all] MowCowWhoHow III Dec 2015 OP

They should do the same thing with radical places here. woodsprite Dec 2015 #1

UK Scarsdale Dec 2015 #2

Like they did in Rome back in the year 50? Drive them underground? L. Coyote Dec 2015 #8

They are not advocating for closing every church down though but that aside the government should cstanleytech Dec 2015 #13

Are you saying mosques commit crimes, not people? L. Coyote Dec 2015 #22

If the Imans in those mosques leftynyc Dec 2015 #24

I've been to Baptist churches that preach hate. Funtatlaguy Dec 2015 #37

What makes you think leftynyc Dec 2015 #53

It seems to me that they will simply find another way to talk hate. uppityperson Dec 2015 #63

So just make it easy for them? leftynyc Dec 2015 #67

I agree with your sentence starting "And". uppityperson Dec 2015 #87

We give too wide a latitude to hate religion in this country. It occurs across a RKP5637 Dec 2015 #103

Did you see today leftynyc Dec 2015 #111

There's nothing preventing them from studying gun violence. Igel Dec 2015 #112

The CDC and NIH are not actually prevented from studying gun violence. branford Dec 2015 #113

Religion, as far as I can see, has always been used as a controlling force often through RKP5637 Dec 2015 #115

Agreed. complain jane Dec 2015 #91

No, I am saying that people should be held accountable if they are trying to deliberately cstanleytech Dec 2015 #25

So you are saying churches are people too? Like corporations, they should go to jail. L. Coyote Dec 2015 #61

There are still 2,500 other mosques in France to choose from BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #27

Roman Catholics killed in America? Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #71

Are you joking? L. Coyote Dec 2015 #93

Well, first of all Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #109

Here is some background: Maedhros Dec 2015 #101

That is Anti-Catholic Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #107

Ah. I saw "Catholics [were] killed in America..." Maedhros Dec 2015 #108

I addressed this is the reply here. Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #110

In addition to shutting down the hate/terror mosques, it's time to take a long, hard.... Raster Dec 2015 #9

Yup, hit'em in their pocketbook! n/t woodsprite Dec 2015 #12

This is a drastic measure that could have serrious reprecussions. olegramps Dec 2015 #10

Wouldn't a charge of Sedition work? woodsprite Dec 2015 #14

Hey, as long as we protect the gunz, First Amendment AllyCat Dec 2015 #18

I'm sure they do already Reter Dec 2015 #59

There's a fundamental difference in how the two nations approach religion. Xithras Dec 2015 #69

The more important difference is the imminence of the harm Jim Lane Dec 2015 #98

I don't think we have much in the way of radical mosques here. Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #118

Isn't this similar to something Trump said he wanted hughee99 Dec 2015 #3

Yes. cigsandcoffee Dec 2015 #21

As long as France limits it to only mosques whos leaders were trying to get its people to cstanleytech Dec 2015 #28

How is "trying to get its people to commit violent crimes" determined? hughee99 Dec 2015 #42

Maybe people fromt he Mosque christx30 Dec 2015 #116

Is the Mosque necessarily responsible if people from that Mosque go to a protest? hughee99 Dec 2015 #119

Someone's word to open an investigation. christx30 Dec 2015 #120

That would seem logical, but I think "incriminating stuff" would need to be clarified a little hughee99 Dec 2015 #121

US to shut down 250,000 Protestant churches in America after Christian kills with a gun L. Coyote Dec 2015 #4

Well if the Churches are inciting violence. Elmergantry Dec 2015 #6

Religion gets too much of a free pass. For many it's another line of politics. RKP5637 Dec 2015 #30

Just make them pay taxes .. ananda Dec 2015 #15

okay so only shutting down violent mosques retrowire Dec 2015 #5

Me too NT Elmergantry Dec 2015 #7

watch your step on that slippery slope Bucky Dec 2015 #17

oh i know. retrowire Dec 2015 #20

Hey if the police do it here it will be all AllyCat Dec 2015 #26

Yep, that's the downside of it all. It will be used as a hammer. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2015 #31

And who defines what a "violent mosque" is? philosslayer Dec 2015 #54

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AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Dec 2015 #58

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That was a real no-brainer! You could even say "obvious" L. Coyote Dec 2015 #62

no worries i understand the slippery implications retrowire Dec 2015 #56

And if shutting down violent places is the goal, hell... randys1 Dec 2015 #102

Exactly! This nation has an ample share of hate religion and others. And they get RKP5637 Dec 2015 #104

what about churches that preach hate? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #11

My opinion: Raster Dec 2015 #19

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2015 #32

i do think the proselytizing is a major issue restorefreedom Dec 2015 #34

The religions and beliefs that are hellbent on converting to the "right" way, ARE THE PROBLEM. Raster Dec 2015 #40

If churches advocate violence then yes they too should be shut down ButterflyBlood Dec 2015 #23

yeah and don't even get me started restorefreedom Dec 2015 #29

Yep, religion is another line of business and tax free. It's ridiculous and disgusting! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2015 #33

yup. another tax haven restorefreedom Dec 2015 #35

what about journalists and "news" channels that advocate hate? bbgrunt Dec 2015 #50

they are all on the continuum. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #51

slippery slope. Wow. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2015 #16

I have the feeling those that are radical will just regroup out of sight. It might even be worse. nt RKP5637 Dec 2015 #36

I schlam Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #57

That is my thought also. Shutting down a building does not stop thoughts and talk and does uppityperson Dec 2015 #64

So much for Voltaire, lol. closeupready Dec 2015 #38

That's what Robespierre said, lol BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #41

oh, shucks. Well, there we go. closeupready Dec 2015 #43

Slippery slope, yes, but perhaps necessary MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #39

I'm tired of the "slippery slope" justification for inaction. Raster Dec 2015 #44

I agree n/t MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #45

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Ah, you missed the point MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #48

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I don't think we have a choice but to try. MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #52

When it comes to radical, wahabist Islam, anything goes, anything can be justified. Raster Dec 2015 #72

I'd say through history most religions anything goes rockfordfile Dec 2015 #105

+1 Mosby Dec 2015 #73

Good. Hatred should not be preached under any religious protective cloud. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #47

How did stopping them from meeting in 1 place ensure they wont preach hatred elsewhere? uppityperson Dec 2015 #65

Why have laws when criminals will break them? nt thereismore Dec 2015 #80

Asparagus. uppityperson Dec 2015 #89

So should they shut down Christian churches that claim that those that don't believe their religion cpwm17 Dec 2015 #66

Thats not inciting violence. Elmergantry Dec 2015 #68

In the US they are certainly inciting violence. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #70

Please cite me an incident Elmergantry Dec 2015 #76

Many preachers preach war. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #82

Sorry Supporting the idea of a country Elmergantry Dec 2015 #84

Negative, inciting aggressive wars that murder thousands is extremely destructive. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #86

*sigh* Elmergantry Dec 2015 #92

Calling abortionists christx30 Dec 2015 #88

No it isnt. Elmergantry Dec 2015 #94

Then there is no case against christx30 Dec 2015 #97

Im not familar with Scott Lively. Elmergantry Dec 2015 #100

I am doubtful that this is wise. potone Dec 2015 #74

I would be fine with that. Elmergantry Dec 2015 #77

Isn't it like the police entering a bar-room brawl? randome Dec 2015 #85

We need to reevaluate how we view all religion in this country ram2008 Dec 2015 #75

Well said!!! It's a third rail no politician wants to touch! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2015 #106

Perhaps this is an attempt by French Authorities to make muslims so uncomfortable they leave Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #78

All Saudi-funded Wahhabi mosques should be shut down, worldwide Dems to Win Dec 2015 #79

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Westboro Baptist Church blueman mmxvi Dec 2015 #83

And all they have ever done is engage in name-calling Elmergantry Dec 2015 #95

your username undermines your defense of WBC blueman mmxvi Dec 2015 #96

I was defending WBC? Elmergantry Dec 2015 #99

Maybe a timeout on all religious buildings being built rockfordfile Dec 2015 #90

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France has over 2,000 mosques, so even if they shut 100, it will be a small percentage. Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #117