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46. The observatory is a small part of the summit.

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:59 PM

Dec 2015

The natives have the rest of it for their ceremonies, sacrifices, whatever. After all, it is the largest mountain on the planet. There is plenty of room up there, apparently unless one is an ignorant ideologue.

The Hawaiians who are protesting just do not want to share a small part of it with science. Fuck em. They are wrong and are going to lose this. The observatory has been there for decades.

Build the TMT. If protesters block the way, arrest them.

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Would installing one on the Moon help? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #2

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I came up with the idea first. Woosh! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #4

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Oh my! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #23

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Ain't that the truth. nt BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #60

Absolute rubbish! longship Dec 2015 #13

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Thank you. I stand corrected. longship Dec 2015 #65

It's more complicated than that. sgood Dec 2015 #87

Welcome to DU. mahina Dec 2015 #88

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How in the Sam Hell can anybody get a thirty meter aperture telescope into space? Bearware Dec 2015 #86

But there's the problem of servicing the damned thing. longship Dec 2015 #91

Use telerobotics for servicing. bananas Dec 2015 #110

Well, my friend, we disagree on this topic. longship Dec 2015 #112

The same way you get it up a mountain: as 492 small mirrors bananas Dec 2015 #109

Wrong Matthew28 Dec 2015 #93

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Thank you for this post. Very telling. gvstn Dec 2015 #97

This is a bad decision. longship Dec 2015 #7

That makes sense. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #9

Amen, longship. Depriving humanity of scientific advances to placate a minor tribal God. Surya Gayatri Dec 2015 #10

So a small group of religious nutters are blocking scientific inquiry? AngryAmish Dec 2015 #15

Science loses to religion Ezlivin Dec 2015 #16

Thank you!! Codeine Dec 2015 #27

A Thirty Meter Reflecting Telescope? Build on La Palma, Canary Islands, Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #38

Or put in the absolutely best place for it. longship Dec 2015 #39

The permit was issued prematurely zipplewrath Dec 2015 #40

Sorry. The observatory has been there for decades! longship Dec 2015 #42

If they have no argument, then they will lose zipplewrath Dec 2015 #44

They have no reasonable expectation of winning. longship Dec 2015 #45

To some degree I agree zipplewrath Dec 2015 #48

Whoever was in charge of the permit process, thucythucy Dec 2015 #55

I agree with everything. TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #104

Yup! Those scientists are careful with the environment up there. longship Dec 2015 #105

And you, too! TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #106

Religion beats science Cartoonist Dec 2015 #8

Strange that such a regressive move should be cheered on a progressive board. Surya Gayatri Dec 2015 #11

No, not strange at all. Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #26

Strange how such a progressive site puts white Imperialism above preserving cultural rights. liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #95

Cultural rights to believe superstitious twaddle. CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #103

What they believe is irrelevant. They have a right to preserve their cultural heritage otherwise all liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #111

This is simply regressive Android3.14 Dec 2015 #12

Considering their own ancestors were celestial navigators. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2015 #14

I will go further on this. longship Dec 2015 #17

Congratulations to everyone who fought this? Raster Dec 2015 #18

Exactly what I was thinking!! SkyDaddy7 Dec 2015 #66

Bad decision: they never proved the gods would be angry William Seger Dec 2015 #19

Was this the one shot science had of progressing? The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #20

There are really very few locations Codeine Dec 2015 #30

Well if nothing else, humans are good at breaking or circumventing limits The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #52

We apparently can't even circumvent the limits Codeine Dec 2015 #57

It is not possible to Pelease everyone, apparently. n/t xocet Dec 2015 #84

That is quality work, xocet. Codeine Dec 2015 #85

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Only time will tell The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #53

Which contributes more to understanding the universe? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2015 #21

Is understanding the universe a requirement for life? The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #28

Science is interdisciplinary. So... The answer is yes. longship Dec 2015 #35

They were around for a couple years without it though The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #49

Say hooray for extinction when we miss the asteroid with our name on it. longship Dec 2015 #68

It's all subjective The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #98

Do not forget the fact that the plaintiffs have no case. longship Dec 2015 #99

Our ancestors also killed various peoples to take their land The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #100

Totally irrelevant to this issue. longship Dec 2015 #101

You brought up how their ancestors used stars for navigation The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #107

More non-sequitur. longship Dec 2015 #108

The natives can stay as ignorant as they wish. No one is forcing them to progress. randome Dec 2015 #36

Maybe they feel like someone is The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #50

Bananas I agree with you 99.5 % of the time olddots Dec 2015 #24

Hooray for organized superstition Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #25

Superstition 1, Science 0... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #29

Fucking ridiculous. Codeine Dec 2015 #31

Ridiculous. Superstition blocks scientific progress. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2015 #32

Respect for indigenous groups 2naSalit Dec 2015 #43

The observatory is a small part of the summit. longship Dec 2015 #46

I understand your 2naSalit Dec 2015 #51

Again, it is the largest mountain on the planet. longship Dec 2015 #56

Aside from the fact that the whole state 2naSalit Dec 2015 #58

Statehood vote was 93% yes. longship Dec 2015 #59

And who was allowed t vote back then? 2naSalit Dec 2015 #61

Well, of those that bothered to vote, 93% said yes. longship Dec 2015 #63

Statehood? thucythucy Dec 2015 #70

Well, the occupation is water under the bridge, so to speak. longship Dec 2015 #73

We have a basic disagreement here thucythucy Dec 2015 #74

Oh my god! Really? longship Dec 2015 #75

Well, my basic argument is that this should be settled in the courts thucythucy Dec 2015 #80

Well, yours is one of the only rational discussions here in support of the judgement. longship Dec 2015 #81

The indigenous rights argument is moot. Chan790 Dec 2015 #71

Mahalo nui loa, 2naSalit. You are practically the only person on this board who seems to get it. Hekate Dec 2015 #83

I completely agree with you 2naSalit. liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #96

There goes my plan to build a telescope on Mt. Olympus. Zeus would likely be quite angry. xocet Dec 2015 #47

Do you know a cave where I can inhale some excellent hallucinatory fumes? randome Dec 2015 #54

You could do voices, randome. longship Dec 2015 #62

The vicinity of Delphi is the last best bet as far as I know.... n/t xocet Dec 2015 #69

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I'm with the Hawai'ians on this one. It's their land, even if we stole it. Hekate Dec 2015 #72

We didn't steal it, they voted to become a state. Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #77

Ignorance of US imperialism is no excuse. Hawai'i had an internationally recognized monarchy Hekate Dec 2015 #82

I'll be honest, I don't really care Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #92

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Superstition marches on! Throd Dec 2015 #76

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Please check your inbox asap. uppityperson Dec 2015 #79

Luddites and superstitious (non christians only) rule! CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #102