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Hekate

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83. Mahalo nui loa, 2naSalit. You are practically the only person on this board who seems to get it.

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:08 PM

Dec 2015

I am pro-science, I am pro-space exploration, but on a board that tolerates anti-vaxxers I have a hard time believing "progressives" ,"liberals", and "Democrats" cannot grasp that indigenous people have rights.

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Hawaiian court revokes permit for planned mega-telescope [View all] bananas Dec 2015 OP

New large telescopes belong in space bananas Dec 2015 #1

Would installing one on the Moon help? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #2

We could also put them on the moon BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #3

I came up with the idea first. Woosh! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #4

LOL BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #5

Damn! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #6

Almost every time I log in early BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #22

Oh my! darkangel218 Dec 2015 #23

LOL BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #34

Lol same here. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #41

Ain't that the truth. nt BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #60

Absolute rubbish! longship Dec 2015 #13

Amen to that! "Put it in orbit" Ah yeah, what are we going to use? Superman and Supergirl? BlueJazz Dec 2015 #37

re "that judge deserves..." should read 'those judges deserve'. It was a unanimous ruling by the mahina Dec 2015 #64

Thank you. I stand corrected. longship Dec 2015 #65

It's more complicated than that. sgood Dec 2015 #87

Welcome to DU. mahina Dec 2015 #88

I wish there were a middle ground where we could have both. icymist Dec 2015 #89

How in the Sam Hell can anybody get a thirty meter aperture telescope into space? Bearware Dec 2015 #86

But there's the problem of servicing the damned thing. longship Dec 2015 #91

Use telerobotics for servicing. bananas Dec 2015 #110

Well, my friend, we disagree on this topic. longship Dec 2015 #112

The same way you get it up a mountain: as 492 small mirrors bananas Dec 2015 #109

Wrong Matthew28 Dec 2015 #93

The good news is Matthew28 Dec 2015 #94

Thank you for this post. Very telling. gvstn Dec 2015 #97

This is a bad decision. longship Dec 2015 #7

That makes sense. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #9

Amen, longship. Depriving humanity of scientific advances to placate a minor tribal God. Surya Gayatri Dec 2015 #10

So a small group of religious nutters are blocking scientific inquiry? AngryAmish Dec 2015 #15

Science loses to religion Ezlivin Dec 2015 #16

Thank you!! Codeine Dec 2015 #27

A Thirty Meter Reflecting Telescope? Build on La Palma, Canary Islands, Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #38

Or put in the absolutely best place for it. longship Dec 2015 #39

The permit was issued prematurely zipplewrath Dec 2015 #40

Sorry. The observatory has been there for decades! longship Dec 2015 #42

If they have no argument, then they will lose zipplewrath Dec 2015 #44

They have no reasonable expectation of winning. longship Dec 2015 #45

To some degree I agree zipplewrath Dec 2015 #48

Whoever was in charge of the permit process, thucythucy Dec 2015 #55

I agree with everything. TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #104

Yup! Those scientists are careful with the environment up there. longship Dec 2015 #105

And you, too! TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #106

Religion beats science Cartoonist Dec 2015 #8

Strange that such a regressive move should be cheered on a progressive board. Surya Gayatri Dec 2015 #11

No, not strange at all. Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #26

Strange how such a progressive site puts white Imperialism above preserving cultural rights. liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #95

Cultural rights to believe superstitious twaddle. CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #103

What they believe is irrelevant. They have a right to preserve their cultural heritage otherwise all liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #111

This is simply regressive Android3.14 Dec 2015 #12

Considering their own ancestors were celestial navigators. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2015 #14

I will go further on this. longship Dec 2015 #17

Congratulations to everyone who fought this? Raster Dec 2015 #18

Exactly what I was thinking!! SkyDaddy7 Dec 2015 #66

Bad decision: they never proved the gods would be angry William Seger Dec 2015 #19

Was this the one shot science had of progressing? The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #20

There are really very few locations Codeine Dec 2015 #30

Well if nothing else, humans are good at breaking or circumventing limits The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #52

We apparently can't even circumvent the limits Codeine Dec 2015 #57

It is not possible to Pelease everyone, apparently. n/t xocet Dec 2015 #84

That is quality work, xocet. Codeine Dec 2015 #85

This is the best location in the northern hemisphere for a telescope. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #33

Only time will tell The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #53

Which contributes more to understanding the universe? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2015 #21

Is understanding the universe a requirement for life? The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #28

Science is interdisciplinary. So... The answer is yes. longship Dec 2015 #35

They were around for a couple years without it though The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #49

Say hooray for extinction when we miss the asteroid with our name on it. longship Dec 2015 #68

It's all subjective The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #98

Do not forget the fact that the plaintiffs have no case. longship Dec 2015 #99

Our ancestors also killed various peoples to take their land The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #100

Totally irrelevant to this issue. longship Dec 2015 #101

You brought up how their ancestors used stars for navigation The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #107

More non-sequitur. longship Dec 2015 #108

The natives can stay as ignorant as they wish. No one is forcing them to progress. randome Dec 2015 #36

Maybe they feel like someone is The2ndWheel Dec 2015 #50

Bananas I agree with you 99.5 % of the time olddots Dec 2015 #24

Hooray for organized superstition Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #25

Superstition 1, Science 0... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #29

Fucking ridiculous. Codeine Dec 2015 #31

Ridiculous. Superstition blocks scientific progress. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2015 #32

Respect for indigenous groups 2naSalit Dec 2015 #43

The observatory is a small part of the summit. longship Dec 2015 #46

I understand your 2naSalit Dec 2015 #51

Again, it is the largest mountain on the planet. longship Dec 2015 #56

Aside from the fact that the whole state 2naSalit Dec 2015 #58

Statehood vote was 93% yes. longship Dec 2015 #59

And who was allowed t vote back then? 2naSalit Dec 2015 #61

Well, of those that bothered to vote, 93% said yes. longship Dec 2015 #63

Statehood? thucythucy Dec 2015 #70

Well, the occupation is water under the bridge, so to speak. longship Dec 2015 #73

We have a basic disagreement here thucythucy Dec 2015 #74

Oh my god! Really? longship Dec 2015 #75

Well, my basic argument is that this should be settled in the courts thucythucy Dec 2015 #80

Well, yours is one of the only rational discussions here in support of the judgement. longship Dec 2015 #81

The indigenous rights argument is moot. Chan790 Dec 2015 #71

Mahalo nui loa, 2naSalit. You are practically the only person on this board who seems to get it. Hekate Dec 2015 #83

I completely agree with you 2naSalit. liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #96

There goes my plan to build a telescope on Mt. Olympus. Zeus would likely be quite angry. xocet Dec 2015 #47

Do you know a cave where I can inhale some excellent hallucinatory fumes? randome Dec 2015 #54

You could do voices, randome. longship Dec 2015 #62

The vicinity of Delphi is the last best bet as far as I know.... n/t xocet Dec 2015 #69

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I'm with the Hawai'ians on this one. It's their land, even if we stole it. Hekate Dec 2015 #72

We didn't steal it, they voted to become a state. Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #77

Ignorance of US imperialism is no excuse. Hawai'i had an internationally recognized monarchy Hekate Dec 2015 #82

I'll be honest, I don't really care Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #92

What land, anywhere, is not "stolen"? jberryhill Dec 2015 #90

Superstition marches on! Throd Dec 2015 #76

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Please check your inbox asap. uppityperson Dec 2015 #79

Luddites and superstitious (non christians only) rule! CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #102