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8. They weren't suicidal. They wore masks and tried to sneak back home.

Reply to Nitram (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:17 PM

Dec 2015

They hit a soft, unsecured, unarmed room and left.

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but, but, where is the evidence..... still_one Dec 2015 #1

Some here will never see it. 840high Dec 2015 #4

Some here will never be convinced Democat Dec 2015 #11

While Farook was telling his coworker that Americans misunderstand Islam and TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #2

That's what makes this story so creepy. Coventina Dec 2015 #6

I guess it isn't our freedom that they hate... n/t Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #14

No, they use it against us. Our friendliness, our respect for privacy, TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #16

I never believed that dumb lie from Bushco. n/t Coventina Dec 2015 #23

As have many others. Its not poverty, its indoctrination. Marie Harf..... 7962 Dec 2015 #59

Looks like you are referring to all Muslims as "these people." Nitram Dec 2015 #9

That DOES get said around here every time there is one. 7962 Dec 2015 #61

^^ Lulu KC Dec 2015 #98

No, the poster was clearly referring to those who carry out violent attacks. Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #99

The post quite clearly refers to Muslims. Nitram Dec 2015 #109

Was he mostly defending his beliefs or attacking other's beliefs? Democat Dec 2015 #13

I don't think a loudmouthed overbearing coworker had much to do with this, honestly. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #15

The person who reported overhearing the conversation said it was over Islam being a Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #100

How do you know these things that you're claiming neohippie Dec 2015 #48

How he "felt" doesnt matter. He & wife planned much bigger carnage. 7962 Dec 2015 #63

But it WAS political correctness. christx30 Dec 2015 #72

I think that the anti-Muslim hysteria is the reason they didn't report. yardwork Dec 2015 #78

As in they didn't want to contribute to the anti-Muslim hysteria? christx30 Dec 2015 #79

I think people are embarrassed by the hysterical over-reacting, so perhaps they under-react. yardwork Dec 2015 #84

I completely agree. That's exactly what I'm saying. christx30 Dec 2015 #85

No, the killers killed 14 people. yardwork Dec 2015 #87

What if they could have been stopped? christx30 Dec 2015 #94

That might have helped, or maybe not. yardwork Dec 2015 #95

what about a philospophy that holds one gender superior? Skittles Dec 2015 #111

What you say is true of domestic mass murderers as well. yardwork Dec 2015 #49

Different factors are driving these events. The white-guy shootings seem to TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #52

I disagree that there is any real substantive difference. yardwork Dec 2015 #77

I do think it's important to understand where all these people are coming from, TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #81

I agree, and we could use the FBI to track them. yardwork Dec 2015 #82

I truly don't understand Blackjackdavey Dec 2015 #53

You can't use the "they aren't assimilated" rationale like they did in Paris. Yavin4 Dec 2015 #70

It seems that perhaps she turned him rockfordfile Dec 2015 #80

My theory is that he was a lonely guy looking for a wife Yavin4 Dec 2015 #107

When are fuckers like this going to understand... JustADumbFireman Dec 2015 #3

Yes, indeed. narnian60 Dec 2015 #7

ISIS is murdering Muslims across the globe, in greater numbers than non-Muslims. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #17

Look how quickly other majority Muslim nations worked to stop the Syrian government from... Nitram Dec 2015 #22

but that is there goal... getagrip_already Dec 2015 #30

That's something a lot of religious types attempt to do rockfordfile Dec 2015 #76

when you think about it... getagrip_already Dec 2015 #88

The odd thing is that instead of concocting a plan to use all these explosives... Nitram Dec 2015 #5

They weren't suicidal. They wore masks and tried to sneak back home. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #8

They were indeed suicidal. Everybody knew who they were and where they lived. Nitram Dec 2015 #20

They weren't suicidal. They intended to live and strike again. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #21

No, if they were suicidal they could have used suicide vests and most likely they would totodeinhere Dec 2015 #28

Then why didn't they secretly plant all the explosives they made before making their last stand? Nitram Dec 2015 #33

But then why bother with masks? complain jane Dec 2015 #35

They tried to cover their tracks and they were not planning on getting caught. totodeinhere Dec 2015 #37

OK, so maybe they were just stupid. nt Nitram Dec 2015 #41

The theory that I have, that seems to be backed up by the timeline, christx30 Dec 2015 #54

I think that kind of stupidity is suicidal. nt Nitram Dec 2015 #55

I wish it was just suicidal. But it's also homicidal. n/t christx30 Dec 2015 #56

Yes it is. Like suicide by cop. nt Nitram Dec 2015 #57

Probably because they had another attack planned for them. 7962 Dec 2015 #64

they did, CFSense Dec 2015 #74

Seems like they planned to try to christx30 Dec 2015 #10

I saw an interview on a local LA station LibDemAlways Dec 2015 #12

If those folks had been wrong in their suspicions, well...Clock Boy part 2. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #19

Deleting my comment because christx30 Dec 2015 #25

This is going to be a tough balancing act. Absolutely we do not want to cast aspersions at totodeinhere Dec 2015 #40

Or maybe it should be that christx30 Dec 2015 #60

Heck no. "Clock boy" isnt owed a damn thing. 7962 Dec 2015 #66

That's bs rockfordfile Dec 2015 #89

How else would you put it? christx30 Dec 2015 #91

They were religious nuts rockfordfile Dec 2015 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author christx30 Dec 2015 #24

Maybe the neighbors thought they would be publicly shamed, called racist and bigoted, and sued Akicita Dec 2015 #27

Well, if the police had received an anonymous tip and LibDemAlways Dec 2015 #38

I agree with you but who can be assured anonimity these days? Akicita Dec 2015 #44

agreed ! Angel Martin Dec 2015 #83

no it's not rockfordfile Dec 2015 #86

Where do you get that crap from? rockfordfile Dec 2015 #90

Well if they did have a side business repairing vending machines exboyfil Dec 2015 #101

You don't think they would have? Yupster Dec 2015 #103

Someone thought Clockboy brought a bomb or a hoax bomb christx30 Dec 2015 #108

clockboy did an elaborate con - snooper2 Dec 2015 #110

Agreed. n/t complain jane Dec 2015 #36

That tweaker-looking guy? Codeine Dec 2015 #96

"... tape, wiring, wire strippers and cutters, a soldering gun and an electric drill." mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2015 #18

These people had a baby in the house!!! perdita9 Dec 2015 #26

The baby could have been used as a prop to make it look like they were innocent parents. totodeinhere Dec 2015 #29

This appears to have been more than a workplace dispute oberliner Dec 2015 #31

Kind of looking that way Yupster Dec 2015 #104

I can't count the number of bomb makers I saw on doomsday preppers.... getagrip_already Dec 2015 #32

The difference is motivation. Akicita Dec 2015 #39

you give survivalists too much credit getagrip_already Dec 2015 #43

You may be right. I don't watch those programs. Akicita Dec 2015 #45

they are a hoot... getagrip_already Dec 2015 #62

There's no reason to have bombs or all that ammo for anybody rockfordfile Dec 2015 #71

That show was used to convict one of them. nt 7962 Dec 2015 #67

What strikes me is the simplistic way most people approach these things. Nitram Dec 2015 #34

Terrorists don't usually have a baby? Democat Dec 2015 #42

Once again, I'm trying to look at the whole picture, not pieces of it. Nitram Dec 2015 #46

If they were just planning to attack christx30 Dec 2015 #65

I have to wonder whether they child-proofed their arsenal nt LiberalEsto Dec 2015 #73

The New York Times recently had a long story about two women who escaped as ISIS brides from Raqqa, Yupster Dec 2015 #105

There was a suicide bomber overseas Akicita Dec 2015 #47

And what was the rest of her life like? Nitram Dec 2015 #58

I think they're terrorist and the guy who attacked PP is a terrorist rockfordfile Dec 2015 #75

just an ordinary workplace dispute rollin74 Dec 2015 #50

So who game them the $$$$ for all these weapons and explosives?? Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #51

Post 51 to get to the REAL question!!!!! Blue_Tires is todays winner! 7962 Dec 2015 #68

It all depends on what toys you want to buy, games you want to play, he was making a decent salary Fumesucker Dec 2015 #93

We may end up banning travel to and from the Middle East. hollowdweller Dec 2015 #69

If the area did not have oil exboyfil Dec 2015 #102

Might have been planning a bigger attack, tabasco Dec 2015 #97

I've wondered that, too. herding cats Dec 2015 #106

Sorry But I Don't itcfish Dec 2015 #112