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In reply to the discussion: Hawaiian court revokes permit for planned mega-telescope [View all]bananas
(27,509 posts)109. The same way you get it up a mountain: as 492 small mirrors
You asked, "How in the Sam Hell can anybody get a thirty meter aperture telescope into space?"
The same way you get it up a mountain: as 492 mirrors, each only 1.44m diameter.
The Thirty Meter Telescope doesn't have a 30 meter mirror, it has 492 mirrors, each only 1.44 meters in diameter.
The technology to build a mirror larger than 8.4 meters does not exist ... the TMT, consisting of 492 segmented mirrors ... featuring adaptive optics to assist in correcting image blur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Meter_Telescope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Meter_Telescope
The primary mirror is segmented, following the lead of the highly successful Keck 10-meter telescopes. By dividing the aperture into segments of manageable size, many of the difficulties involved in the construction of large telescopes are reduced, including fabrication, testing and transportation of large mirrors and mirror cells. The need for large handling equipment, high-capacity handling cranes and large vacuum coating chambers is also greatly reduced.
Some risk issues are also mitigated. For example, breakage of a single segment would not be nearly as catastrophic as breakage of a traditional telescope primary mirror.
Moderate-sized segments can be fabricated at moderate cost and can be mounted on support systems of moderate complexity. It is also possible to keep the glass in the segment thin, which reduces the overall mass and thermal inertia and allows the glass temperature to follow the changing ambient temperature to minimize mirror seeing effects.
The TMT primary mirror includes 492 hexagonal segments, each about 1.44 meters (56.6 inches) across corners. The segments are closely spaced, with gaps between the segments only 2.5 mm (0.1 inch) wide.
http://www.tmt.org/observatory/telescope/optics
Some risk issues are also mitigated. For example, breakage of a single segment would not be nearly as catastrophic as breakage of a traditional telescope primary mirror.
Moderate-sized segments can be fabricated at moderate cost and can be mounted on support systems of moderate complexity. It is also possible to keep the glass in the segment thin, which reduces the overall mass and thermal inertia and allows the glass temperature to follow the changing ambient temperature to minimize mirror seeing effects.
The TMT primary mirror includes 492 hexagonal segments, each about 1.44 meters (56.6 inches) across corners. The segments are closely spaced, with gaps between the segments only 2.5 mm (0.1 inch) wide.
http://www.tmt.org/observatory/telescope/optics
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Amen to that! "Put it in orbit" Ah yeah, what are we going to use? Superman and Supergirl?
BlueJazz
Dec 2015
#37
re "that judge deserves..." should read 'those judges deserve'. It was a unanimous ruling by the
mahina
Dec 2015
#64
How in the Sam Hell can anybody get a thirty meter aperture telescope into space?
Bearware
Dec 2015
#86
Amen, longship. Depriving humanity of scientific advances to placate a minor tribal God.
Surya Gayatri
Dec 2015
#10
Strange that such a regressive move should be cheered on a progressive board.
Surya Gayatri
Dec 2015
#11
Strange how such a progressive site puts white Imperialism above preserving cultural rights.
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2015
#95
What they believe is irrelevant. They have a right to preserve their cultural heritage otherwise all
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2015
#111
The natives can stay as ignorant as they wish. No one is forcing them to progress.
randome
Dec 2015
#36
Well, yours is one of the only rational discussions here in support of the judgement.
longship
Dec 2015
#81
Mahalo nui loa, 2naSalit. You are practically the only person on this board who seems to get it.
Hekate
Dec 2015
#83
There goes my plan to build a telescope on Mt. Olympus. Zeus would likely be quite angry.
xocet
Dec 2015
#47