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89. He voted 'aye' on IWR

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:13 PM

Dec 2015

a calculating, political, finger-in-wind vote that he ended up having to contort himself to defend in the 2004 election. Puhleeze, what sound judgment?!

Has he, have we not learned how well US forced (by bombs, bullets or at the 'negotiating table) regime change works:

Iran 1953 (with blowback in 1979)
Iraq 2003 (ongoing blowback)
Libya 2014 (ongoing blowback)
Syria ?

Meanwhile innocent Iraqi civilian fled to Syria to escape the US created chaos in their country... where to now
Libyans fled and are fleeing
Syrians fled and are trying to flee

How much more of this... instability creates more instability and terrorism

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To Crush ISIS, John Kerry Urges Deft Removal of Syria�s Assad [View all] Purveyor Dec 2015 OP

Where the eff is the logic in this? hedda_foil Dec 2015 #1

Here's an alternative proposal from Assad and Putin Yupster Dec 2015 #2

lol. Russia has had no effect on ISIS at all uhnope Dec 2015 #12

Best to first wipe out the other opposition groups Yupster Dec 2015 #14

R U serious? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #57

I don't think the US has anything to do with this Yupster Dec 2015 #75

There is no "Liberal" opposition in Syria. We're supporting fundamentalists. Oneironaut Dec 2015 #84

I was inferring the words "relatively speaking" LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #85

I'm lost unless somebody really, really wants a war with Russia... eom Purveyor Dec 2015 #3

We have enough of them here too...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #4

shhhh. we'll be brought before "the committee"... Purveyor Dec 2015 #6

you're right uhnope Dec 2015 #11

Then explain this Cayenne Dec 2015 #16

Kerry is speaking of Assad leaving as part of a diplomatic solution -- ie what came out of Vienna karynnj Dec 2015 #32

There isn't any. mmonk Dec 2015 #19

It's like "crushing" Al Capone by eliminating his chief Chicago Mob rival. More like a reward leveymg Dec 2015 #22

Lessons learned from Libya no doubt...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #5

john kerry lancer78 Dec 2015 #7

shut up kerrrry 840high Dec 2015 #8

Am I missing something here? Moostache Dec 2015 #9

Putin won't agree to get rid of its puppet Assad uhnope Dec 2015 #10

He likely already has, and that is why Kerry is speaking openly blm Dec 2015 #55

I hope you're right! uhnope Dec 2015 #58

That's because there was almost no attention given to the agreement in Vienna -- which was then karynnj Dec 2015 #68

Most news media haven't a clue what's going on, though they aren't shy blm Dec 2015 #70

So who would then be in charge of Syria? Marrah_G Dec 2015 #13

Yep, it's the SOS over and over again. Countries often end up worse off after RKP5637 Dec 2015 #26

It's great for the MIC but it's backfiring on western citizens as we see what's happening in Europe. CJCRANE Dec 2015 #29

because instability enhances exploitability reddread Dec 2015 #33

Yep, looking over the years, it's hard not to conclude this is the agenda. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2015 #35

Touche! Carolina Dec 2015 #88

Worked out well for the formerly secular state of Libya. Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #42

We never learn! Marrah_G Dec 2015 #46

Oil companies and western fianciers if all "goes to plan" for Kerry. hughee99 Dec 2015 #47

'deft removal' = 'regime change' Cayenne Dec 2015 #15

If anything that the ouster of Saddam and Gaddafi has shown, that getting rid of a dictator creates a power vacuum AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #17

Yep, we've seen that play out over and over again! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2015 #27

And Syria can choose its own replacement leader? no_hypocrisy Dec 2015 #18

To late, half syrias population is gone. The not bombed population are pro-assad. The Swiss could.. Sunlei Dec 2015 #20

It's a religious civil war daleo Dec 2015 #21

Tell me again why we invaded Iraq. Gregorian Dec 2015 #23

911! reddread Dec 2015 #34

It was harun Dec 2015 #53

Wait for it ... Benghazi!!! n/t Kennah Dec 2015 #86

Because yeah, regime change in Iraq worked out so well for us .... Myrina Dec 2015 #24

Actually, Kerry is speaking of a diplomatic end of the Syrian civil war karynnj Dec 2015 #39

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #25

In other words, put the sunni radicals into power CJCRANE Dec 2015 #28

I disagree. I will be just Saddam deja vu. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #30

If Russia can "convince" Assad to step down Bradical79 Dec 2015 #31

That does look like where Vienna was trying to get AND if it worked -- and had a lasting ceasefire karynnj Dec 2015 #36

I trust Secretary Kerry's judgement philosslayer Dec 2015 #37

He voted 'aye' on IWR Carolina Dec 2015 #89

The Syrian Army just liberated Homs. Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #38

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #87

et tu, kerry? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #40

Assad's father nationalized foreign oil in 1972. sgood Dec 2015 #41

There are more reasons Cayenne Dec 2015 #74

That's still about oil. sgood Dec 2015 #91

Excellent Carolina Dec 2015 #90

WTF? Half the things Kerry says are good, and the other half are just mind-bogglingly dumb Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #43

Assad hates ISIS, his successor will be much more aligned with them Reter Dec 2015 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #45

If I'm following the news and read it correctly this week . . . Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #48

Care to further elaborate on this line jamzrockz Dec 2015 #56

The Syrian civil war didn't arise in a vacuum Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #60

Wait a min jamzrockz Dec 2015 #61

I'll dismiss your conspiracy theories as something that doesn't work for me Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #62

Why not? jamzrockz Dec 2015 #63

Have a good afternoon, sir Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #64

omg. Did you really write "I think the cartoonist beat himself up" uhnope Dec 2015 #71

Some of you Americans are so naive jamzrockz Dec 2015 #78

"you Americans?" uhnope Dec 2015 #80

Not Russian jamzrockz Dec 2015 #93

This neo-con approach worked so well in Libiya. Let's try it again! n/t MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #49

oh FFS with this level of stupid in charge we're gonna be on IS's side by *next year* MisterP Dec 2015 #50

Not certain we aren't already there. Anything to take down Assad. They will have to go through Purveyor Dec 2015 #52

Kerry: "Great idea! The war will be over by Christmas!" MisterP Dec 2015 #54

what a twisted, horrible and insane thing to say uhnope Dec 2015 #59

is he effing insane? magical thyme Dec 2015 #51

No, they may be planning to get Assad out soon as part of a deal TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #66

because we haven't caused enough chaos around the world via "regime change?" magical thyme Dec 2015 #67

Well, I certainly can't speak to the wisdom of our insistence that Assad must go, TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #69

neocon fantasies misread the "Arab Spring" as a sudden desire for democracy magical thyme Dec 2015 #72

I vaguely remember John McCain giving a speech when the whole TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #73

No, and if you understood even 10% of what you THINK you do, it would be blm Dec 2015 #76

Thanks blm obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2015 #79

Because we are not slaves to corporate media spin. We've been following the Kerry-Lavrov alliance blm Dec 2015 #81

Thanks again. obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2015 #82

karynnj is so much nicer about it than I am. I have no patience. ; ) blm Dec 2015 #83

Because the US media is more interested in entertainment and they ignore a huge number of statements karynnj Dec 2015 #92

What a dolt ... GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #65

What, no "munich moment" rhetoric? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #77

When you prepare for war, you are already at war. Gregorian Dec 2015 #94