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Recursion

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29. Oh bullshit. Baltimore is less poor and less unequal than Burlington.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:17 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.civicdashboards.com/city/burlington-vt-16000US5010675/

http://www.civicdashboards.com/city/baltimore-md-16000US2404000/

I'm sick of people who've never lived there regurgitating some David Simon nonsense.

Baltimore's household poverty rate is 11.3% (with a 23.8% personal poverty rate); this is 1 percentage point below the national urban average, and three points below the national average as a whole. Let that sink in for a second. Baltimore's poverty rate is lower than most cities', and lower than the nation's. Baltimore has a lower poverty rate and Gini index than Burlington, for Christ's sake; Burlington's are 11.8% and 47. (This kind of reminds me of how Ferguson has a lower crime rate than most US towns.) In Milwaulkee it's 29%. (I use Milwaulkee as a comparison a lot because they're roughly the same size and have similar industrial histories.)

In Baltimore, the top 20% of earners take home 48% of income. In Milwaulkee it's 49%. In Oklahoma City it's 50%. The national average is 49%.

The GINI index (a measure of income inequality; higher means more inequality) in Baltimore is .4498, which is above the nation's index as a whole of .4102 -- but that's nearly always true for cities (Portland's is .4443, and Seattle's is .4458). I want that to sink in too: Portland and Seattle have GINI indexes that are essentially indistinguishable from Baltimore's, whereas Miami, Durham, Charlotte, Oklahoma City, Chicago, etc. are significantly higher (in the .49's) and places like NYC and SFO are off the charts (in the .50's).

Baltimore also had 5 low income families for every high income family (the "LI/HI" ratio), which is nationally very low (a low LI/HI is a good LI/HI). Buffalo, NY has 18. Modesto, CA has 20. Youngstown, OH has 44(!).

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I hear it's exactly like North Korea KamaAina Dec 2015 #1
West Baltimore is no joke Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #2
That's a DU classic KamaAina Dec 2015 #4
Wow! Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #19
Blunt, but necessary EndElectoral Dec 2015 #3
Yes Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #5
No, it's not. Baltimore has a lower poverty rate than the nation as a whole Recursion Dec 2015 #30
Poverty rate for Baltimore- 23.8%. Poverty rate for the nation as a whole- 14.8% PotatoChip Dec 2015 #56
You're mixing household and individual rates (nt) Recursion Dec 2015 #60
The rates in my title are both individual rates. (nt) PotatoChip Dec 2015 #61
Ghettos r wrong and should be gentrified. ErikJ Dec 2015 #6
Breaking up communities and bringing in rich folks to Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #9
And Nazi like "concentration camps" is better? ErikJ Dec 2015 #15
Holy shit. It isn't going to be easy to discuss the issue Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #17
And not only that, I think Erik is overlooking a key and fairly obvious point: forest444 Dec 2015 #18
The suburbs have cheaper rent generally than the inner city ErikJ Dec 2015 #20
That's largely true as well. forest444 Dec 2015 #22
That does nothing for the poor, though Heddi Dec 2015 #28
Nothing is as bad as leaving them in the poverty concentration camp ErikJ Dec 2015 #32
^^This^^ Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #53
yes we take care of each other because no one else is going to questionseverything Dec 2015 #57
My neighborhood was destroyed under the guise of blight removal Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #58
Sorry, I'm sick of "well meaning" people demonizing gentrification to justify ErikJ Dec 2015 #21
Definition of gentrification Pastiche423 Dec 2015 #26
Sorry I'm a progressive and progress comes with change. ErikJ Dec 2015 #35
No progressive supports gentrification Pastiche423 Dec 2015 #36
Thank you. eom LiberalElite Dec 2015 #38
You are most welcome Pastiche423 Dec 2015 #39
lol. Ironically, Progressives are one of the 1st ones to integrate ErikJ Dec 2015 #42
Ironically, you fail to provide objective evidence for your allegation. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #55
I see. You haz a sadz for the property but not for the people. nt valerief Dec 2015 #41
I'm sick of well meaning people demonizing the poor to justify gentrification LanternWaste Dec 2015 #54
Calling Godwin. Calling Godwin. The Blue Pot Dec 2015 #46
Not so fast Godwin: "Ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe" ErikJ Dec 2015 #48
City politicians are intentionally letting urban areas rot ariesgem Dec 2015 #52
I drove through Lawndale for the first time in 25 years. It was empty. AngryAmish Dec 2015 #11
Gentrification and failed "urban renewal" just chases the poor to yet another ghetto. George II Dec 2015 #23
Urban renewal has been very successful in my city. ErikJ Dec 2015 #27
Gentrification ruins neighborhoods - long time residents have to move for the upper class LiberalElite Dec 2015 #37
Sorry, I believe in hope and change not the conservative status quo ErikJ Dec 2015 #40
Gentrification drives rent UP and pushes poor people OUT ariesgem Dec 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #7
Our kids are starving Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #12
Slumlords own much of the ghettos. They make a pretty fortune when gentrification comes. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #8
They probably live in Roland Park? Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #13
Probably. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #14
My thoughts exactly tabasco Dec 2015 #16
West Bmore isn't the only community that is like this. There are other areas Glimmer of Hope Dec 2015 #24
Yes Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #25
Oh bullshit. Baltimore is less poor and less unequal than Burlington. Recursion Dec 2015 #29
The problem with these stats is this: kwassa Dec 2015 #44
Baltimore... this Baltimore? AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #31
Yes this Baltimore Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #33
These houses are not poor, they are vacant. kwassa Dec 2015 #45
Lead paint: Despite progress, hundreds of Maryland children still poisoned-Baltimore Sun, Dec 5 2015 Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #34
I don't think Bernie has been to the third world. kwassa Dec 2015 #43
I beg to differ. Israel in the 60s The Blue Pot Dec 2015 #47
Israel isn't the third world. Israel is the first world. kwassa Dec 2015 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #49
But did he see how the poor live? kwassa Dec 2015 #63
Excellent. With any luck, Daniel Ortega will be able to return the favor & be at Bernie's inaugural forest444 Dec 2015 #64
I have to agree...this is slums in the 3rd world: EX500rider Dec 2015 #59
Wow. I just went to google streetview, and the first street I went in 'west baltimore' is exactly PersonNumber503602 Dec 2015 #50
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