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21. Those who commit suicide by gun typically do it with their own firearm

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:48 PM

Dec 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/health/death-rates-rising-for-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html?_r=0

Something startling is happening to middle-aged white Americans. Unlike every other age group, unlike every other racial and ethnic group, unlike their counterparts in other rich countries, death rates in this group have been rising, not falling.

That finding was reported Monday by two Princeton economists, Angus Deaton, who last month won the 2015 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science, and Anne Case. Analyzing health and mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and from other sources, they concluded that rising annual death rates among this group are being driven not by the big killers like heart disease and diabetes but by an epidemic of suicides and afflictions stemming from substance abuse: alcoholic liver disease and overdoses of heroin and prescription opioids.

A trigger lock or a gun safe doesn't do much good when the person set on committing suicide is the one holding the key.

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Guns are now killing as many people as cars in the U.S. [View all] Hal Bent Dec 2015 OP

Impossible to believe Maryland could be involved in this. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #1

Churlish. maxsolomon Dec 2015 #4

Here's one factor: Tortmaster Dec 2015 #68

Well... deathrind Dec 2015 #2

+100000 trillion Dec 2015 #86

I am starting to like Chris Rock's idea. iandhr Dec 2015 #3

Gun Control in our 51st State: maxsolomon Dec 2015 #5

Unconstitutional. Nt hack89 Dec 2015 #11

That can be fixed. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #13

Right. hack89 Dec 2015 #14

Well then, I urge you to get right on it. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #25

You two are so predictable passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #27

As are you and your cohorts. GGJohn Dec 2015 #29

I've had that special on DVD for like ever. Initech Dec 2015 #58

Interesting Rafale Dec 2015 #6

Guns should know better. ileus Dec 2015 #7

Cars aren't trying hard enough either. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #19

From the graph, this report is more about fewer auto deaths. elias49 Dec 2015 #8

And yet guns are not getting safer. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #33

How would you measure that in an attempt to support your claim? ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #54

I would measure it in a ... Tortmaster Dec 2015 #69

Not really lark Dec 2015 #72

Funny story metalbot Dec 2015 #9

Engineers have gotten good at making it hard to die in a car accident. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #10

Those who commit suicide by gun typically do it with their own firearm NickB79 Dec 2015 #21

True, but suicides by other family members are another story. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #26

Engineers can make guns safer too. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #34

Please link where the "RW, NRA, GOP won't let them" former9thward Dec 2015 #35

How? hack89 Dec 2015 #74

Access/user authentication controls. Built-in locking mechanisms. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #79

As long as they are not mandated I have no problem with the tech hack89 Dec 2015 #82

Rising suicide rates hack89 Dec 2015 #12

Surprised that VT and NH had more deaths from guns than cars. Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2015 #15

"...changes in gun industry and gun laws could also make a difference in lowering gun deaths." Hal Bent Dec 2015 #32

Turn them all in mwrguy Dec 2015 #16

All that will lead to is an increase in hangings... happyslug Dec 2015 #20

No. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #30

anyone want to thank ralph nader? mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #17

Yes - We can thank Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed" for this and much more bananas Dec 2015 #62

the value of RN to the voter mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #87

Your graph shows we're at the lowest gun deaths since 1967 NickB79 Dec 2015 #18

Firearm crime increased from the mid 1960s till about 2000. happyslug Dec 2015 #23

The NRA must be proud as must their stooges on the supreme court. MariaThinks Dec 2015 #22

Now the repugs are going to use those statistics to deny gun control. Unknown Beatle Dec 2015 #24

Tipping point. Tipping point. Tipping point. onehandle Dec 2015 #28

Uh Huh. GGJohn Dec 2015 #31

How many decades are you going to post your "tipping point" posts? former9thward Dec 2015 #36

Obviously, it's Turbineguy Dec 2015 #37

liability insurance Blackjackdavey Dec 2015 #42

With gun homicides at a 50 year low, that would be quite cheap insurance indeed NickB79 Dec 2015 #45

Think so? Turbineguy Dec 2015 #50

Except that's not how liability insurance works NickB79 Dec 2015 #51

"Liability insurance on firearms would mostly just cover acts such as accidental shootings." Blackjackdavey Dec 2015 #70

My safe full of guns had no impact on my home owners policy. hack89 Dec 2015 #75

The fact that I have a safe at all, lowered mine. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #80

Insurance wouldn't be just for deaths. lark Dec 2015 #73

I disagree. There are not that many accidents relative to number of gun owners. hack89 Dec 2015 #76

I can see no insurance for self-inflected wounds, but why not a family member? lark Dec 2015 #77

But still, true accidents are very rare. hack89 Dec 2015 #78

Licensing wont reduce the number of deaths. cstanleytech Dec 2015 #52

How would liability insurance help? ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #56

see post 70 for my reply... Blackjackdavey Dec 2015 #71

Not for gun owners, but for CCW folks, yes. roamer65 Dec 2015 #89

They should start regulating cars Flying Squirrel Dec 2015 #38

another nra talking point bites the dust Doctor_J Dec 2015 #39

The only way to stop a bad guy with a car is a good guy with a car. tclambert Dec 2015 #40

Suicides do not count. Indydem Dec 2015 #41

It's about lethality Blackjackdavey Dec 2015 #43

That is what should be said for abortion Township75 Dec 2015 #44

That is why proper secured storage of guns is important. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #46

That is true but Blackjackdavey Dec 2015 #48

Unfortunately, no, I would not be surprised. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #53

Hardware merchant?? pocoloco Dec 2015 #49

Automobile accidents do not count. onehandle Dec 2015 #55

Not to mention labeling suicides as "gun violence".. EX500rider Dec 2015 #64

But less than 25 years ago. I guess that's a good thing. bigwillq Dec 2015 #47

But cars, pools, and alcohol must be regulated because those things are just as deadly! Initech Dec 2015 #57

pretty sure guns are WAY more regulated then pools.... EX500rider Dec 2015 #65

Did I forget the sarcasm tag again? Initech Dec 2015 #67

Meanwhile King Tobacco reigns supreme. . . Stargleamer Dec 2015 #59

that is what came to my mind. Tobacco kills way more than cars and guns together. olddad56 Dec 2015 #63

Interesting MJJP21 Dec 2015 #60

Increase in gun sales doesn't mean increase in gun ownership... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #61

Which might mean lower gun ownership.. EX500rider Dec 2015 #66

Headline is a pretty hilarious exercise in wordsmithing. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #81

And alcohol kills more than both combined Taitertots Dec 2015 #83

Cars are now killing as few people as guns in the U.S. beevul Dec 2015 #84

I'm comfortable with the size of my penis the_phantom_dennis Dec 2015 #85

Cars are infinitely more safer now, than 40 years ago. roamer65 Dec 2015 #88