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In reply to the discussion: Sanders camp suspends two more staffers over data breach [View all]Algernon Moncrieff
(5,961 posts)24. OK. They didn't hack. If you leave your door open, is it OK for strangers to enter and look around?
I refer you to this article that I also posted in GD: P
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/12/heres-what-actually-happened-great-sanders-clinton-data-theft
Today, however, David Atkins has weighed in [see update below], and he does know how the software is set up. I don't know his loyalties in the presidential race, but he nonetheless seems to have a pretty solid take on the whole thing:
[An] important piece of information to note is the difference between a "saved search" and a "saved list."...You really only want to pull a static list if you're doing something specific like creating a list for a targeted mail pieceor if you want a quick snapshot in time of a raw voter list.
....However, the access logs do show that Sanders staff pulled not one but multiple listsnot searches, but listsa fact that shows intent to export and use. And the lists were highly sensitive material. News reports have indicated that the data was "sent to personal folders" of the campaign staffersbut those refer to personal folders within NGPVAN, which are near useless without the ability to export the data locally....Even without being to export, however, merely seeing the topline numbers of, say, how many voters the Clinton campaign had managed to bank as "strong yes" votes would be a valuable piece of oppo.
...This doesn't mean that Wasserman-Schultz hasn't, in David Axelrod's words, been putting her thumb on the scale on behalf of the Clinton campaign....Still, the Sanders camp's reactions have been laughable. It was their team that unethically breached Clinton's data. It was their comms people who spoke falsely about what happened. The Sanders campaign wasn't honeypotted into doing ittheir people did it of their own accord.... What's very clear is that the Clinton camp did nothing wrong in any of this. Sanders campaign operatives did, and then Wasserman-Schultz compounded it by overreacting. And in the end, the right thing ended up happening: the lead staffer in question was fired, and the campaign got its data access back.
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I remember back in the 70s when some folks broke into Democratic HQ to take data
Algernon Moncrieff
Dec 2015
#2
Yeah, and I thought they were exaggerating the first night when they compared this to
Cha
Dec 2015
#10
Some data was apparantly taken. Some staffers were fired and suspended
Algernon Moncrieff
Dec 2015
#18
There is no allegation that Sanders campaign hacked. Or cheated to get into thr
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#20
OK. They didn't hack. If you leave your door open, is it OK for strangers to enter and look around?
Algernon Moncrieff
Dec 2015
#24
Not only enter and look around, but also steal the grocery money from the counter.
Squinch
Dec 2015
#83
Can we look at the same logs and see if HRC people looked at Bernie data?
Elmer S. E. Dump
Dec 2015
#99
This has to be thoroughly investigated by an independent committee or agency.
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#102
That's what I think 100%. The firewall controls access both ways so it would have been down for HRC.
Elmer S. E. Dump
Dec 2015
#104
And I remember back in 2008 when somebody inappropriately accessed Barack Obama's data
notadmblnd
Dec 2015
#26
The Clinton camp should be careful when accusing others of doing what they've done.
notadmblnd
Dec 2015
#73
Well, he did run a winning Presidential campaign for Barack Obama in 2008
Algernon Moncrieff
Dec 2015
#77
A cynic might suggest that staffers got caught, and are now taking the fall for the boss
Algernon Moncrieff
Dec 2015
#4
You think the senator was sifting through the database? Not fucking likely.
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#14
If the fire wall had been properly maintained by the vendor, Bernie's team could
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#23
That the behavior of one of Sanders' employees was unacceptable to Sanders does not mean
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#90
You mean Debbie Wasserman-Schultz who had to quickly back down from her draconian
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#93
Debbie Wasserman-Schultlz hired a contractor or vendor to provide security for the candidates'
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#95
I was just about to say that, you beat me to it. If nothing wrong was done, why did Sanders....
George II
Dec 2015
#67
They are.. I'm not. They were pissed there weren't enough debates but Hill has won everyone
Cha
Dec 2015
#21
It doesn't give the names of the "staffers".. wonder if it's any of these snoopers..
Cha
Dec 2015
#17
If the vendor had properly secured the data and maintained the firewall, the queries could not
JDPriestly
Dec 2015
#27
Sanders staffers outright stole the data and used it to their advantage.
Agnosticsherbet
Dec 2015
#31
Yes, The sanders team Sabotaged their own campaign.. fell on their own petard and now BS has Fired
Cha
Dec 2015
#34
Exactly.. it's in a long line of not having good instincts for what it takes to be POTUS.
Cha
Dec 2015
#39
"Where there's smoke". If I didn't trust BS before, this certainly hasn't improved my opinion.
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2015
#36
I think that lawsuit will result in those fired staffers being charged with computer fraud/hacking
MADem
Dec 2015
#43
At least Senator SANDERS knows what the right thing to do is, here. And firing is the right thing
MADem
Dec 2015
#42
The independent investigation is going on now. It's probably why those two other guys on Sanders'
MADem
Dec 2015
#50
I thought his apology was heartfelt. It was a bit delayed, but I did think he meant it.
MADem
Dec 2015
#82
The breach in data was the best thing that has happened to Sanders lately. As an undecided
patricia92243
Dec 2015
#66