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Throd

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94. Collective punishment is what you are proposing.

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:01 PM

Dec 2015

1. Making someone miss a flight to visit their family for Christmas IS hurting someone.

2. I can support a cause with out condoning stupid counterproductive tactics.

3. Economic disruption is sometimes a valid tactic. Depends on who is being hurt in the wallet.

4. Success is not pissing off would-be supporters.

5. I can certainly deem what is harmful to a cause without being a participant.

6. See #4

7. The people disrupting holiday travel haven't thought this through. Guaranteed.

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Black Lives Matter protesters block roads to airports in Minneapolis, San Francisco [View all] ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2015 OP

Making people miss flights home for the holidays with little chance to rebook will win hearts. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #1

^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Dec 2015 #2

+1 nt snappyturtle Dec 2015 #3

Glad YOU said it. I get blasted when I point out the silliness of these tactics 7962 Dec 2015 #5

agree with the title... mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #9

Yep bluestateguy Dec 2015 #8

Indeed iandhr Dec 2015 #11

+10 840high Dec 2015 #13

Yup. SoapBox Dec 2015 #14

if innocent black people being attacked and killed and nobody held accountable JI7 Dec 2015 #16

Two wrongs make a right and win hearts? Fail. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #30

The fail is comparing what blm is doing to killing an innocent JI7 Dec 2015 #46

Exactly. That was your fail. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #48

no it's your fail. I'm not the one saying one is like the other JI7 Dec 2015 #50

No, it was very much yours. TekGryphon Dec 2015 #116

Thing is, in most cases I'd bet that already DID win their hearts. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #79

I am sure you will be accused of whitesplaining Skittles Dec 2015 #20

BLM is not trying to win your heart or the hearts of others that don't give a Stellar Dec 2015 #21

So you think that everybody who missed a crucial flight doesn't care a "fu*k". Wrong wrong wrong. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #31

Wrong? How can you tell, what do you suppose? nt Stellar Dec 2015 #53

how can you tell? Skittles Dec 2015 #115

Ah there it is, if you dont like my tactics the you dont care about the problem! 7962 Dec 2015 #34

You are really doing your best to insult me and the cause! Stellar Dec 2015 #51

No, if I was doing my best it would get a hide! 7962 Dec 2015 #59

Merry Christmas. Stellar Dec 2015 #64

And the same to you & yours. Have a healthy one at the very least! 7962 Dec 2015 #69

Well said. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #76

Take my kid, for instance. Igel Dec 2015 #60

Happy Holidays to you. nt Stellar Dec 2015 #65

You have said it much better than I did. 7962 Dec 2015 #70

"Travelers will make it to the airport on-time" joshcryer Dec 2015 #25

Thanks to the police. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #33

But yesterday they closed an entire terminal TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #77

That's a crummy thing to do. nt leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #73

Exactly FarPoint Dec 2015 #78

+1. Nt Owl Dec 2015 #118

It's not about winning hearts. Old Union Guy Dec 2015 #131

Misguided, but my heart goes out. truthisfreedom Dec 2015 #4

Same to you! 7962 Dec 2015 #61

Middle and upper income African American college students, underthematrix Dec 2015 #6

great point thanks mgmaggiemg Dec 2015 #10

You encompassed so much in that short statement. Thank you! 7962 Dec 2015 #36

Try to forgive them. potone Dec 2015 #54

Well I may forgive them after my beloved President's term ends and he is underthematrix Dec 2015 #82

I understand. potone Dec 2015 #113

schools are not in session right now JI7 Dec 2015 #80

I'm not speaking of literally being in school. I'm underthematrix Dec 2015 #87

Beautifully said! n/t moonscape Dec 2015 #119

Sometimes this is a good tactic and sometimes LiberalElite Dec 2015 #7

If it doesn't interfere with people's lives, their message won't get noticed. valerief Dec 2015 #84

Really? YOU seem to have noticed it. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #88

hopefully the police can arrest them and reopen the highways Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #89

Civil disobedience is all the working class has left. Skeeter Barnes Dec 2015 #12

I agree it's all working class has left yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #15

I'm really enjoying all the posts from Bernie Sanders' supporters decrying civil disobediance CreekDog Dec 2015 #17

Um romanic Dec 2015 #29

This article didn't mention a single missed flight. On the contrary, the CHP said people Skeeter Barnes Dec 2015 #19

People made their flights thanks to the police breaking up the protest effort FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #35

Well on the news they said otherwise so trolling around like you said is wrong yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #39

I hope you have a wonderful Christmas as well, my good friend. Skeeter Barnes Dec 2015 #44

Thank you! I find it hard to believe it's tomorrow. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #45

And I agree with Rep Maxine Waters... Stellar Dec 2015 #18

I look at it like this... christx30 Dec 2015 #22

Really what good is that "support" anyway if black people keep getting murdered by police? fbc Dec 2015 #28

Because they NEED the support of all those they keep badgering! Numbers matter. 7962 Dec 2015 #37

Well excuse me for thinking they need the support of those running for office, Stellar Dec 2015 #47

And those politicians need/want the support christx30 Dec 2015 #68

And what good is it to protest christx30 Dec 2015 #56

And there you have it. 7962 Dec 2015 #58

Don't you think Bernie would need the support of Black people to help him defeat Hillary, Stellar Dec 2015 #49

I'm still aghast that this is coming from many professed Bernie Sanders' supporters CreekDog Dec 2015 #24

Possibly, but at least Bernie has a plan and Hillary doesn't, as I see it. Stellar Dec 2015 #52

Why did you think my post was a criticism of Bernie? It wasn't. CreekDog Dec 2015 #124

Forgive me if I gave you that impression... Stellar Dec 2015 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #40

I Guess I Don't Understand RobinA Dec 2015 #38

They will never have the support of the fair weather types anyway. You either want justice Skeeter Barnes Dec 2015 #42

Most People RobinA Dec 2015 #57

I don't deny that there are people who don't give a shit or those that wish BLM would just go away. Skeeter Barnes Dec 2015 #67

Actually RobinA Dec 2015 #104

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #41

The power of civil disobedience is not in disruption. Igel Dec 2015 #62

I'm not sure of your point or why it was posted in reply to me. Skeeter Barnes Dec 2015 #66

Then maybe don't have their protest methods fuck with working class people? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #83

BLM also stopped traffic on the 405 near LAX today, local news actually played it straight coverage winstars Dec 2015 #23

After the whole twitter drama between Deray, Netta, and Shaun King romanic Dec 2015 #26

Ruining Christmas for people who might be on their side is going to help? Democat Dec 2015 #27

I wish they would block voting registration sites with long lines Gore1FL Dec 2015 #32

When republicans make it more difficult to vote, or to register to vote, people call that hughee99 Dec 2015 #55

I mean blocking them with business. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #122

It was a group with a noble cause. Now it is a group of complete fucking losers. Township75 Dec 2015 #43

The NAACP..... ValasHune Dec 2015 #63

I stand in Unity with all Black Lives Matter protests. Sunlei Dec 2015 #71

Even ones damaging to their message? Throd Dec 2015 #72

I wish thousands would lay in the streets. I'm all for non violent protest. Sunlei Dec 2015 #74

I'm for EFFECTIVE non-violent protest. Throd Dec 2015 #90

it's painful to see the misfires Skittles Dec 2015 #121

I can't think of a better way to alienate people who might have supported you. Vinca Dec 2015 #75

Can someone please tell these idiots to stop with the stupid stuff WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2015 #81

Wow, welcome to my Forever Ignored Club. Happy holidays. nt valerief Dec 2015 #85

Please feel free to add me, too. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #86

BLM are a bunch of assholes for blocking the highway when people are trying to visit families Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #91

I'll be happy to join your ignore list too. christx30 Dec 2015 #102

Post 81 was completely correct. Ignore me forever. Merry Christmas. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #120

sure you do Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #101

Some news for several posters upthread Scootaloo Dec 2015 #92

Collective punishment is what you are proposing. Throd Dec 2015 #94

Maybe if you have a piss-poor understanding of "collective punishment" Scootaloo Dec 2015 #99

If you wanna go the Westboro route, be my guest. Throd Dec 2015 #100

Don't ignore the impact of the cause itself. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #105

I think you're wrong about some things. christx30 Dec 2015 #112

+ 1.... dhill926 Dec 2015 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #97

Point by point: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #98

A'ite Scootaloo Dec 2015 #103

*sigh* Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #108

Not a problem Scootaloo Dec 2015 #111

The People Outside RobinA Dec 2015 #106

How effective has this outlook been? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #110

Can you give even one example where pissing people off lead to a constructive result? Egnever Dec 2015 #117

Well said underpants Dec 2015 #107

Yes, ^this^. nt Zorra Dec 2015 #132

Instresting Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #93

Depends RobinA Dec 2015 #109

I like how the few supporters of BLM romanic Dec 2015 #96

There will be fewer and fewer supporters Democat Dec 2015 #123

Those kinds of tactics don't elicit any feelings of support with me. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #114

A few ppl had a minor inconvenience interrupt their privileged life mwrguy Dec 2015 #126

+1 Scootaloo Dec 2015 #127

so life is a privilege now? romanic Dec 2015 #128

If someone chooses to give of their christx30 Dec 2015 #129

Hopefully they all get arrested TeddyR Dec 2015 #130

Civil disobedience is far too inconvenient for America these days. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #133