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anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
98. Perhaps not as much as you think
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

I recall there was a Black Lives Matter group camped out outside a Dearborn, MI police station a few weeks ago to protest a police shooting or a pattern of them. Technically they were also on public land (muni rather than federal) but the police respected their protest. As I recall some local racists did not respect it, and rolled up and shot at the protesters, injuring one or two. IIRC the encampment folded, partly due to cold weather, but they are still having protest marches about the issue with no problems.

Let's keep a sense of perspective - these yahoos n Oregon are thumbing their nose at the federal government, but they don't seem to be presenting any sort of threat to anyone's safety so basically they're just trespassing. At worst it's a petty misdemeanor, notwithstanding their political views: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/25/11.411

If they were to try to occupy a federal building in a town it would likely provoke a very different response. Considering that they're in the middle of nowhere though, the impact on public safety is negligible and treating them as a low priority is probably the most effective response. The people demanding that we bring the full might of the state down to crush them are delusional; to do so would only validate an oppressive response in other contexts. Those are are drawing comparisons with other historical conflicts to argue that these people are being coddled are mistaken at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.

For example, consider the Indian occupation of Alcatraz in 1969; that was eventually forcibly ended by the government, but only after the occupation ahd been going on for 19 months and after the majority of the protestors had given up and left of their own accord: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Alcatraz

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Cut power, jam their cellphone signals and internet. Prevent supply deliveries. peacebird Jan 2016 #1
exactly... starve 'em out. hlthe2b Jan 2016 #3
They couldn't even last two days without added supplies Sanity Claws Jan 2016 #5
Well regulated militia Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #61
Unless they have a truckload of other supplies somewhere this is it: yellowcanine Jan 2016 #81
If they had food, why did they send out messages asking for snacks? Sanity Claws Jan 2016 #88
Was the "snacks" message sent by George Costanza? nt Jerry442 Jan 2016 #99
They'll be sending out calls for generators any minute now brush Jan 2016 #25
They might have a couple of generators. But do they have fuel? yellowcanine Jan 2016 #85
There is the question! I've read they have generators. 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #128
Wait until they run out of toilet paper! (N/M) Grins Jan 2016 #30
Now, that'll be interesting! :) Duval Jan 2016 #56
We don't need no stinking TP... RR2 Jan 2016 #62
They can always use snow. Snow is in the forecast. yellowcanine Jan 2016 #86
then arrest them all Pharaoh Jan 2016 #59
then arrest them all Pharaoh Jan 2016 #60
As I have said in another forum... IthinkThereforeIAM Jan 2016 #64
Yes, indeed. ChazInAz Jan 2016 #66
Hey, most hippies I know are peace loving good guys. These guys are not hippies. trillion Jan 2016 #118
cut off their water, too---they won't last long without it wordpix Jan 2016 #72
This is a profit deal, as soon as they leave the site the gofundme's and randys1 Jan 2016 #77
They are looking for that sweet wingnut welfare. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #114
+100000 trillion Jan 2016 #119
Hey, I like that "Wingnut Welfare" randys1 Jan 2016 #135
They'll use CB, good buddy. That and amateur radio. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #11
The signals can be jammed itsrobert Jan 2016 #19
CB is simplex, by which I mean mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #21
Interesting.... good buddy.... AlbertCat Jan 2016 #39
Last picture I saw they were using FRS radios. LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #57
With an FRS, they can reach the other end of the Disneyworld parking lot. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #67
I think FRS has 150mhz channels, but you are till very low power and low range. They LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #68
Yeah, that's the ticket! And they got solar/wind power, too! griloco Jan 2016 #20
Or their car batteries. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #23
& Wal-Mart got a sale on Everreadys and they just keep going. nt griloco Jan 2016 #32
Those will last a few hours. trillion Jan 2016 #120
If they forgot to bring food and cold weather gear you think they thought to bring CB radios? brush Jan 2016 #28
The CB radios should be wired in to their vehicles already. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #34
Okay. I'll look for antennas on the newscasts . . . brush Jan 2016 #44
How long will those batteries last? Kablooie Jan 2016 #47
They didn't think to bring food and warm socks, and -none Jan 2016 #49
Cutting their Internet and Cellphones would probably be enough harun Jan 2016 #41
Without power their computers and cell phones will be dead within a day. Kablooie Jan 2016 #45
you can always charge them via the cars/trucks Marrah_G Jan 2016 #76
Let them eat their guns - let's see how long these tough "militiamen" will last wordpix Jan 2016 #71
And, they should quit negotiating with terrorists. trillion Jan 2016 #117
They brought children out there.. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #2
'Cause every modern patriot needs a human shield! CanonRay Jan 2016 #8
I am guessing the children will be out of there in the first car load after the power is cut. yellowcanine Jan 2016 #87
Hope so.. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #89
Me too. The only reason for the children is to shield them. trillion Jan 2016 #121
I saw it in a few places.. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #132
Terrorists frequently use human shields Nevernose Jan 2016 #115
I'm surprised it's taken them this long, power should have been cut on day one. groundloop Jan 2016 #4
They will be like the Donner Party. Downwinder Jan 2016 #6
The Dumber party n/t me b zola Jan 2016 #10
... Agony Jan 2016 #103
Either chicken, or freedumb! SwankyXomb Jan 2016 #113
And it's taken this long? Why didn't they do that day 1? AllyCat Jan 2016 #7
SOP tazkcmo Jan 2016 #13
Why were little kids allowed in AlbertCat Jan 2016 #40
+10000. They should have never let those kids in. I cry for the danger thouse kids are in. trillion Jan 2016 #122
Well, let me look. Saw something somewhere, but that doesn't mean anything. AllyCat Jan 2016 #129
Just so they don't start bird hunting for food. It is a bird refuge, after all. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #9
Hat should read Major League Griper. OregonBlue Jan 2016 #14
What they need to do is cut off media access Warpy Jan 2016 #12
Cut off power, water and the cell access...no one or nothing goes in... SoapBox Jan 2016 #15
'Bout damned time NV Whino Jan 2016 #16
agreed. trillion Jan 2016 #123
“And it’s flat-ass cold up there.” Botany Jan 2016 #17
What parent would willingly allow their partner/spouse to put their child in harms way? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #18
Not very good tactics sorefeet Jan 2016 #22
I predict they surrender SHRED Jan 2016 #27
Since they hate government so much... SHRED Jan 2016 #24
Typical spineless Liberal reponse. I say TORTURE THEM!!! griloco Jan 2016 #26
They could always build a bonfire outside and roast Frustratedlady Jan 2016 #29
and roast their weenies AlbertCat Jan 2016 #43
By American standards, these guys are being coddled. It says something. Gregorian Jan 2016 #31
Do Occupy Wall Street in Zuccotti Park count as "anyone else"? Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #36
OWS wasn't seizing government property by force starroute Jan 2016 #58
I f I remember correctly, Zuccotti Park is privately owned 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #69
Your point is well taken. I'm not seeing anything that is similar. Gregorian Jan 2016 #91
Maybe you're choosing not to see anigbrowl Jan 2016 #100
I do remember that. Gregorian Jan 2016 #102
I understand your reaction. nt anigbrowl Jan 2016 #104
Perhaps not as much as you think anigbrowl Jan 2016 #98
I remember the first year of occupy when police departments all over the country came out under the trillion Jan 2016 #127
Once they starve 'em out nyabingi Jan 2016 #33
No no no. They get a trial first. Constitution, remember? Kablooie Jan 2016 #48
Give'em a fair trial, first, the lock them up for 20 years. -none Jan 2016 #52
They're only committing a misdemeanor as far as I can see anigbrowl Jan 2016 #101
Oh yeah lol (nt) nyabingi Jan 2016 #55
Yes! throw all their asses in fucking. jail! Lil Missy Jan 2016 #106
Mastermind al-Ammon no-bin Snackin requests immediate snacks... Purrfessor Jan 2016 #35
I'm stealing this, lol n/t JesterCS Jan 2016 #90
Be my guest... Purrfessor Jan 2016 #92
About time! Isolate these men. oldandhappy Jan 2016 #37
Isolate them Blues Heron Jan 2016 #38
OK guise..the goobermint cutoff internets access workinclasszero Jan 2016 #42
Those poor guys. No Drudge! No Free Repubublic. No Knights of whatever supremacist group they trillion Jan 2016 #126
Yup they need fox "news" hate radio and workinclasszero Jan 2016 #134
The downside to doing this is that..... Chakaconcarne Jan 2016 #46
quiet a bit of spoiling going on already madokie Jan 2016 #54
It's National Park Service not US Park Service... Glaisne Jan 2016 #50
When they finally come out I bet they will complain their rights have been violated. Kablooie Jan 2016 #51
Too bad that... SCantiGOP Jan 2016 #53
The best way to deal with these idiots is to starve them out Gothmog Jan 2016 #63
I predict some form of air support from some rich muckity-muck. Bubzer Jan 2016 #65
Probably the coal industry who Bundy was supporting earlier this year in a protest. And who likely trillion Jan 2016 #125
Already got the sore-ass any way.N/T ronatchig Jan 2016 #70
Electricity And Electric Militia Types--So Who Owns The Utility Serving The Refuge? Vogon_Glory Jan 2016 #73
Looks like it is Oregon Trail Electric Co-op that distributes the power csziggy Jan 2016 #93
Thanks, Roosevelt. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2016 #133
The head militant is conducting a news conference right now. MissB Jan 2016 #74
Mostly it seems to be Ammon Bundy thanking folks for their food. MissB Jan 2016 #75
they should have just sent him the pot, and maybe he'd feel like getting rid of the guns, stop trillion Jan 2016 #130
Turn off power and turn on blockade. lark Jan 2016 #78
absolutely. total blockade of supplies and info restorefreedom Jan 2016 #80
I have no idea what's SOP for... Jerry442 Jan 2016 #79
This one does have workers in it - year round. MissB Jan 2016 #82
So there are workers who'd planned to get back to work... Jerry442 Jan 2016 #95
How will the pump on the well be able to work without electricity? japple Jan 2016 #96
It won't unless they have a hand pump. MissB Jan 2016 #97
Bwhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So sorry for the japple Jan 2016 #105
Yes, they'll have heat. But no power. Xithras Jan 2016 #83
Propane theft Red Mountain Jan 2016 #109
Depends. Xithras Jan 2016 #111
They fit the true definition of Terrorists libodem Jan 2016 #84
Terrorists from Dumbfuckistan n/t Kennah Jan 2016 #116
so true. trillion Jan 2016 #124
That escalated fast BadGimp Jan 2016 #94
why not just let them live there the rest of their lives? What is the hurry to let them leave... olddad56 Jan 2016 #107
... and when they come out, they will be embraced by awaiting ex-Gov. Huckabee. /nt NCjack Jan 2016 #108
maybe they will never come out. why let em out, the US gov has captive now. olddad56 Jan 2016 #112
Seems to be only a rumor. Owl Jan 2016 #110
. trillion Jan 2016 #131
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