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rayofreason

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25. Silly point of view.

Tue May 29, 2012, 02:01 PM

May 2012

First, don't be to cocky about November. It will be closer than you think and Romney can win if Team Obama screws up.

Second, neither Obama nor any Democratic president will be president for ever. There will be Republican presidents in the future. Either you oppose a given presidential power on principle or you admit that all presidents will, by right, have the same power. You cannot retreat to a sophomoric attitude that only certain presidents who have certain beliefs have the right to exercise all the powers of the POTUS.

I, for one, find this power deeply troubling. Especially since drones are now flying in the US. How long before those drones are armed? How long before U.S. citizens can be targeted here as they can be abroad?

Four years ago who wold have thought that anyone would have reason to ask such questions?

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Report: Obama Personally Oversees Al-Qaeda �Kill List� [View all] Hissyspit May 2012 OP

I don't know, people. mahatmakanejeeves May 2012 #1

This story is viral today. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #2

This comment from William Daley in the article is very odd... KoKo May 2012 #3

�At what point are you just filling the bucket with numbers?� frylock May 2012 #16

Well, actually, in a drone attack, the driver, the car, dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #20

An war al-Alack may3rd May 2012 #49

Also made the list....... DeSwiss May 2012 #23

I wonder if Zuckerburg is on the kill list may3rd May 2012 #50

The facebook guy? Mark? boppers May 2012 #63

Well 'duh'! He IS the Commander in Chief (CIC)! NoMittens May 2012 #4

I've been assuming he approves the list Enrique May 2012 #7

It's hard to dismiss this as a RW Attack...this part from the Article: KoKo May 2012 #29

"A colleague" is not an identifiable person... Ohio Joe May 2012 #40

"shunned", "metastasizing", "lawyering", "ferocious".... boppers May 2012 #43

He's not the Don-in-Chief. rug May 2012 #52

No, the news is that there is a Presidential Kill List at all. Occulus May 2012 #56

Where there's a war, there's a list bhikkhu May 2012 #59

America is at war? When did Congress declare war? Neue Regel May 2012 #80

There's always been one, especially during war time. boppers May 2012 #65

there was nothing about a kill list on the Nobel Peace Prize nomination form n/t... IamK May 2012 #5

Well said. dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #19

K&R. nt OnyxCollie May 2012 #6

I don't like that there's a kill list to begin with Lawlbringer May 2012 #8

According to to an NPR newsbroadcast on this earlier today... Demoiselle May 2012 #34

That was mentioned on the radio. The idea of micro managing individuals may3rd May 2012 #47

...as opposed to turning a blind eye bhikkhu May 2012 #9

Don't ever trust a politician rusty fender May 2012 #10

I always consider the older alternative to drones in war bhikkhu May 2012 #11

Really? It's one or the other? Hissyspit May 2012 #14

No, its not one or the other bhikkhu May 2012 #51

dunno about that may3rd May 2012 #48

If you don't trust any of them, then what do you propose we do? treestar May 2012 #17

Congratulations on your dawning enlightenment! whatchamacallit May 2012 #18

Should we trust mollerjay May 2012 #27

You can ALWAYS count on Obama! Poll_Blind May 2012 #12

this is bad how? scheming daemons May 2012 #13

AND BREAKING NEWS Iliyah May 2012 #15

At least it's not Rmoney who oversees it... Amonester May 2012 #21

Silly point of view. rayofreason May 2012 #25

+1000000 FiveGoodMen May 2012 #35

Yeah because it matters to the dead who ordered them killed without trial. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #55

As many said in this thread, that list is nothing new... Amonester May 2012 #70

In your zeal to defend the indefensible, you are overlooking the facts. EFerrari May 2012 #73

Why isn't there anyone challenging the legality of this kill list? The Northerner May 2012 #22

Everyone's afraid. n/t DeSwiss May 2012 #24

Could find yourself on the list. n/t rayofreason May 2012 #26

Sick of the unfair attackeson Obama mollerjay May 2012 #28

How is it unfair? morningfog May 2012 #31

Hopefully Obama or his campaign will respond properly to this NYT article KoKo May 2012 #32

Got a problem with the ''Due Process'' clause in the Bill of Rights, have you? :-/ n/t DeSwiss May 2012 #33

Due process, in this case, means: boppers May 2012 #45

No it doesn't, that's bs. EFerrari May 2012 #54

If you're old enough to fire a weapon, you're old enough to be a target. boppers May 2012 #62

Comparing this to WWII U4ikLefty May 2012 #64

Lets see: boppers May 2012 #66

You really outdid yourself this time. Ash_F May 2012 #69

Exactly. boppers May 2012 #77

Name me the top ten strikes on the US, ranked by fatalities. boppers May 2012 #79

And you think you know that, why? EFerrari May 2012 #72

Well, people told you he was killed, why did you believe that? boppers May 2012 #78

and keeping in mind, congress did legally authorize military force against Al Qaeda bhikkhu May 2012 #57

I don't really see it as a war but a law enforcement issue Ash_F May 2012 #71

I do remember that argument bhikkhu May 2012 #75

Unbelievable! pmorlan1 May 2012 #68

I grew up with this. boppers May 2012 #76

You've been here four days. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #37

now go run tell mommy frylock May 2012 #42

He's dead, Jim. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #44

The only people who have standing are assassinated when they are found. morningfog May 2012 #30

Nope--the DOJ admitted that custody would pre-empt any lethal force..... msanthrope May 2012 #39

ACLU filed and abandoned one case last year. Filed another one in February: EFerrari May 2012 #36

Because those who have standing to do so are terrorists who do not participate in a msanthrope May 2012 #38

oppose it and your on it... Barack is like Tony Soprano n/t IamK May 2012 #41

This is news, how? boppers May 2012 #46

Wrong. EFerrari May 2012 #53

I probably shrugged upon hearing about Bush/Cheney doing it, too. boppers May 2012 #61

Good! tabasco May 2012 #58

They've been reined in. boppers May 2012 #67

It's not awfully top secret if the French are reporting it Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #60

U.S. military trainers trickle back into Pakistan "Overseer in chief has boots on the ground may3rd May 2012 #74