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leveymg

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32. Because al-Zawahiri isn't head of al-Qaeda.
Tue May 29, 2012, 02:22 PM
May 2012

Last edited Tue May 29, 2012, 05:03 PM - Edit history (3)

al-Zawahiri heads a Taliban remnant that acted as the local hosts to UBL when Saudi intellligence relocated him to Afghanistan from Khartoum, Sudan in 1996. That contingent has been decimated; as Secretary Panetta has stated, there are probably no more than several dozen genuine al-Qaeda members left in Afghanistan, and he is probably right. There are other loosely formed organizations in Afghanistan and the neighboring tribal regions of Pakistan that call themselves al-Qaeda. They can call themselves whatever they want.

Al-Qaeda is a nexus of the covert special operations branches of Saudi external General Intelligence Division (GID) and the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Most of its trained operatives were veterans who fought covertly alongside western intelligence in the joint campaigns against the Russians and Serbs in Kosovo, Chechnya and Bosnia. I have already explained to you its genesis as part of a 1976 deal between DCI Bush and GID Co-Director Prince Turki al Faisal. Al-Qaeda is not the creation of UBL, and bin Laden was just one among a number of ranking Saudi paramilitary leaders. Al-Qaeda, along with bin Laden, was caught up in the infighting within Saudi Arabia among various factions of the Royal Family. He fell out of favor with the Court, but continued to have his backers. That intra-Saudi power struggle, and the Americans who tried to manipulate it, had a great deal to do with the lead-up to the 9/11 attack. If you want to learn more about UBL and his long relationship with Saudi and American intelligence, please see, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/04/810764/-Erik-Prince-American-Bin-Laden-CIA-Asset-Money-Gunmen

After 9/11, some of al-Qaeda's leadership was purged, particularly those with primarily loyalty to the rival "Sudairi Seven" wing of the House of Saud (several leading members of whom died suddenly after 9/11). But, that part that swore allegiance to Abdullah remains as do some Pakistani general officers who continue to support al-Qaeda. The global Saudi-Pakistani paramilitary is still very much intact and operating globally, with a large contingent now operating inside Syria.

You should not speak of either al-Qaeda or the House of Saud as a singular entity. If you think in those terms, events will just confuse you further. Even though the succession struggle appears to have been largely resolved in Abdullah's favor after King Faud died of his massive incapacitating stroke several years ago, there is very little that unifies the House of Saud other than Salaafist beliefs in Holy War and the takeover of all Arab lands under their own dominion, which to some necessarily entails the extermination of the Shi'ia. Damascus was for centuries seen as the capital of Arab peoples. What's going on in Syria is very much an ancient blood feud and religious war. The outcome, if the Ba'ath regime and Syrian Army collapse, is likely to be a genocide of the Alawite (Shi'ia) minority by the Sunni spearheaded by Saudi paramilitary.

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This is working out better than planned. We now have pro and anti-regime militias killing civilians leveymg May 2012 #1
Anti-regime militias killing civilians? For example? DetlefK May 2012 #2
I guess you don't count al-Qaeda bombers as a militia. leveymg May 2012 #3
No, I don't, because they don't fight for either cause. DetlefK May 2012 #4
Syria is the site of the current round of Saudi Arabia' s Jihad against western leveymg May 2012 #5
Oh, you are wrong on that one. DetlefK May 2012 #18
Because al-Zawahiri isn't head of al-Qaeda. leveymg May 2012 #32
I thought the Syrian Ba'athists were Alawite, not Shi'a. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #33
The Alawite are a Shi'ia sect. leveymg May 2012 #34
pro-regime militias carried out most of the killings. may3rd May 2012 #58
You spout complete and utter nonsense. tabatha May 2012 #13
ok well tell us then who are the good guys in Syria? and no the civilian population here does not azurnoir May 2012 #20
You have provided an opinion. tabatha May 2012 #35
There are no good guys, except for the victims. Many of those counted as victims, though, are leveymg May 2012 #37
These were certainly Assad's thugs. Odin2005 May 2012 #24
Who benefits from this killing? One side is trying to make the other side look bad riderinthestorm May 2012 #6
Try listening to the children who witnessed the crimes. tabatha May 2012 #7
Honestly, Ma'am, Get With The Program: Hostile To U.S. Equals Good; Only The U.S. Does Evil Deeds The Magistrate May 2012 #9
Thank you. tabatha May 2012 #10
Nobody's trying to whitewash Assad. He's a bloody, murderous thug dictator. riderinthestorm May 2012 #14
I follow this daily. tabatha May 2012 #36
I follow it daily as well and the west doesn't want to get involved because forcibly removing Assad riderinthestorm May 2012 #41
a bit of an overstatement does friendly to the US then equate to good? azurnoir May 2012 #22
Depends On How Manichean Your View Of Things Is, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #30
well you've got it -by jove or Jove azurnoir May 2012 #50
That Has a Lot Of Moving Parts, Ma'am The Magistrate May 2012 #55
ah but the difference between our respective comments is could vs can azurnoir May 2012 #57
Isn't that what is called a "straw man?" David__77 May 2012 #26
More A Rule Of Thumb, Sir, Whose Predictive Value Has Been Solidly Established Over Time The Magistrate May 2012 #29
Yeah, that sort of thing drives me up the wall. Posteritatis May 2012 #45
there is something else playing here too, what country is Syria's ally? azurnoir May 2012 #8
The "West" is not looking for war. tabatha May 2012 #11
Of course they are!! Why do you think Israel is about to strike Iran? riderinthestorm May 2012 #15
Netanyahu wants war. Most of Israel and most military leaders in Israel do not. tabatha May 2012 #38
Leon Panetta already said its going to happen. I believe him. riderinthestorm May 2012 #42
Yawn. Israel's been "about to strike Iran" any minute now around here for ten years. (nt) Posteritatis May 2012 #44
Except of course, they actually HAVE bombed Iran's nuclear facilities before (Osirak) riderinthestorm May 2012 #53
Does It End With An 'N', Sir, Or With A 'Q'.... The Magistrate May 2012 #56
In a hurry and on a cell; my bad. i can hardly see the letters! riderinthestorm May 2012 #59
really ? Obama is being election year expedient however what we are told is America's 'bestest' azurnoir May 2012 #16
So people have to shut up about atrocities of other human beings. tabatha May 2012 #39
no of course not however also be careful when backing a side in this too azurnoir May 2012 #52
Absolutely. All of your questions and more. riderinthestorm May 2012 #12
The question here isnot who the 'bad guy's' are in Syria it's azurnoir May 2012 #17
First casualty in armed conflict is the truth harun May 2012 #19
Yes those countries are involved one way or another Harmony Blue May 2012 #21
Russia is giving Assad the arms to commit his crimes Their statement is the blandest possible riderinthestorm May 2012 #31
No, Russia is giving Assad the arms to restore Harmony Blue May 2012 #47
I'm not defending this. FWIW, Russian arms support comes with no conditions riderinthestorm May 2012 #49
I don't agree at all Harmony Blue May 2012 #51
You don't seem to realize Assad is Shia. Yes an Alawite Shia but when it comes to Islam riderinthestorm May 2012 #54
The looters benefit. joshcryer May 2012 #61
Assad has more blood on his hands. Odin2005 May 2012 #23
Yeah, it sure seem that way Harmony Blue May 2012 #25
"Any government in any country bears responsibility for the security..." David__77 May 2012 #27
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #28
"Those Children belonged to those who recently were shooting and Killing American Soldiers.. " tabatha May 2012 #40
Liberals arguing that the U.S. should give weapons to Syrian rebels underestimate Assad's power Douglas Carpenter May 2012 #43
Yup. Maybe you can get through where the rest of us cannot riderinthestorm May 2012 #46
I wouldn't be surprised Harmony Blue May 2012 #48
I would hope no one... SkyDaddy7 May 2012 #60
Syria's Bad Logic TheRazorOnline May 2012 #62
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