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Rilgin

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69. This is a more reasonable post but ignores half of your original
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jan 2016

It is true that it requires some complexity (something the american voter is not great at) in understanding that an increase in taxes that is less than an existing premium, deductible, co pay cost is a net good.

It is clear there will be resistance on all levels to any change in the american economic or health system. I saw a clip of Bernie acknowledging that today. He said the equivalent of its not that we will get a single payer system on my first day in office, its just that I will not lose it as a goal and keep fighting for it. He is a political realist as are most of his supporters on this issue.

Your last post does identify one of the reasons that it will be a huge fight which we might lose for years. However, your original post also had anti-government rheteoric about governments wasting money as an attack on the efficiency of single payer. Both governments and private sectors have some inefficiencies, corruptions, and waste, just our current system without government involvement has more of these three items.

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Hmmm... retrowire Jan 2016 #1
Better late than never RobertEarl Jan 2016 #2
+1 n/t area51 Jan 2016 #44
A strange response anigbrowl Jan 2016 #17
Strange response? retrowire Jan 2016 #19
I think he knows the cost of the plan will destroy his campaign Recursion Jan 2016 #53
He doesn't have the right staff to estimate the financial impact BeatleBoot Jan 2016 #3
funny how the rest of the advanced countries of the world has figured it out... CTyankee Jan 2016 #6
No, they haven't. Switzerland has a plan with both private and public insurance, pnwmom Jan 2016 #8
at least they are on the right track and recognize the need for universal health care... CTyankee Jan 2016 #9
The ACA recognizes that need in the same way Switzerland's plan does. pnwmom Jan 2016 #10
There are major differences. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2016 #12
There are certainly improvements that SHOULD be made to the ACA. pnwmom Jan 2016 #22
South Korea has a national health insurance plan that covers everyone davidpdx Jan 2016 #42
Japan covers 70% of health care costs and the patient pays 30% Recursion Jan 2016 #48
The same here davidpdx Jan 2016 #50
In England... Helen Borg Jan 2016 #51
Oh dear anigbrowl Jan 2016 #21
He wrote a bill about it in 2013. You'd think he would have had the details ready by now. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #23
If you are an expat please feel free to drop by the Americans Abroad forum and introduce yourself davidpdx Jan 2016 #43
Oh, I meant I come from there but live in the US now :-) anigbrowl Jan 2016 #47
Nope. Almost no other countries have single payer Recursion Jan 2016 #39
Yes. And if Iowa watched the righties, wingnuts and racists underthematrix Jan 2016 #15
I disagree, I think. PSPS Jan 2016 #16
I can also speak about the real world anigbrowl Jan 2016 #25
My god, you think Ireland's health care system is expensive? Rilgin Jan 2016 #31
+1 snort Jan 2016 #36
You misunderstand me anigbrowl Jan 2016 #37
This is a more reasonable post but ignores half of your original Rilgin Jan 2016 #69
anti-government rhetoric? anigbrowl Jan 2016 #70
The "financial aspect" has been studied extensively. joshcryer Jan 2016 #32
I hope so anigbrowl Jan 2016 #38
This is just people making a mountain out of a molehill. joshcryer Jan 2016 #46
That does it. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #4
Taxes, free loaders, takers. Screw that. I'm going Republican! Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #7
Boy she's on a roll. bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #5
I'm still waiting for the numbers on trickle-down economics and those big trade deals. jalan48 Jan 2016 #11
Nice deflection. RandySF Jan 2016 #13
Hey-we're all worried about numbers. Never too late to clear up some of those big ones from the past jalan48 Jan 2016 #14
Not to mention the numbers from how much money was wasted at the Pentagon. Crowman1979 Jan 2016 #29
presidents don't pass legislation. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #18
Aspirational? How is that different from "empty promises"? nt pnwmom Jan 2016 #24
You start from a strong position. joshcryer Jan 2016 #33
He frames the goals and values, broad strokes. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #35
They want to know the bottom line, which he promised to provide before Iowa. pnwmom Jan 2016 #49
We'll see nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #52
Ahhhh, that explains it. His proposals are "aspirational". Beacool Jan 2016 #45
Unicorns don't have the necessary digits to run calculators. nt onehandle Jan 2016 #20
LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #28
Not sure why so many Democrats like yourself love the status quo Bradical79 Jan 2016 #66
Can anyone point me to where Sanders "pledged" to release full tax plan by 2/1? (nt) thesquanderer Jan 2016 #26
Yes, in this interview: pnwmom Jan 2016 #34
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If a pig in a poke does not have a price tag, that means we can't afford it. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #27
How much does it cost to not have everyone insured? Kalidurga Jan 2016 #30
Less, that's why we do it Recursion Jan 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #57
Oh, sorry, did we start giving the uninsured health care? Recursion Jan 2016 #58
Ahhh I love the smell of desperation in the morning coyote Jan 2016 #41
I find it difficult to believe.. cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #54
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About 20% less, all told Recursion Jan 2016 #59
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DEAD Horse Thread sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #56
What's with the right-wing cartoons? anigbrowl Jan 2016 #68
Well rtracey Jan 2016 #61
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I am speaking from the perspective of the legislature that will vote on any MADem Jan 2016 #71
Why rush a complicated issue kacekwl Jan 2016 #65
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