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23. Sigh.

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:36 AM

Feb 2016

We are at an impasse. No trust between campaigns. Divided we fall. I believe in Bernie. He has integrity and honesty. The other candidate changes her positions hourly. I can't trust that.

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Sanders to skip debate unless Clinton agrees to future showdowns [View all] brooklynite Feb 2016 OP

mistake vadermike Feb 2016 #1

Clinton is now begging for more debates on Sanders' terms. mhatrw Feb 2016 #41

Hillary will be debating herself Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #67

Yep, Look at her last night when she's suddenly FOR Universal health care and she knows we CAN do trillion Feb 2016 #95

All Hillary has to do is agree to a New York debate erlewyne Feb 2016 #130

Nope the ball is in Bernie's court! Will he pull a Trump?? riversedge Feb 2016 #173

Hillary has always been for Univeral health but not by the method that riversedge Feb 2016 #140

Oh look, someone else who doesn't know the difference... Adrahil Feb 2016 #151

Is Goldman Sachs aware of this "change in the wind" nt wolfie001 Feb 2016 #166

She's for universal healthcare COVERAGE magical thyme Feb 2016 #171

She's for Health INSURANCE, not Health Care. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #172

+10000. Got to watch her. I thought she was suddenly for single payer. Nope. You're right. trillion Feb 2016 #179

I realize that. But she's calling it Universal Healthcare COVERAGE. by COVERAGE she means insurance magical thyme Feb 2016 #203

Sleazy liar. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #204

Not really. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #46

I agree. She needs the one in NH; Volaris Feb 2016 #71

She could always use 9/11 though. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #155

Sure she could. And the next logical question then refers Volaris Feb 2016 #156

She can work with Republicans? Helen Borg Feb 2016 #159

That would be the answer, yes lol. Volaris Feb 2016 #162

This! TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #148

Bernie is the kind of negotiator I would like be the President of this nation. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #2

He keeps moving the goalposts. That's not principled. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #141

Just saying that doesn't make it so. tecelote Feb 2016 #150

The debate schedule was set. It disadvantaged Bernie and he had to suck it up. Now his platform is JudyM Feb 2016 #161

+ a million nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #168

What move? He's always wanted many more debates. Not one more debate. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #174

Hillary moved the goalposts. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #185

His camp whined and screamed for more debates, murielm99 Feb 2016 #3

Which he's showing by demanding.... daleanime Feb 2016 #5

Yes, what's up with that? DURHAM D Feb 2016 #7

Why not New York? 840high Feb 2016 #44

You mean like why did he oppose the Iraq war? n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #47

Thank You. Volaris Feb 2016 #75

And you actually believe that? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #79

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What, that he opposed the Iraq war? frylock Feb 2016 #101

Reality doesn't require belief, it just is: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #118

You can't help these people. After the things Hillary supporters have told me today.... trillion Feb 2016 #128

Yep. And then he'll stand there and make faces again - like he's in junior high. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #80

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I believe you have no idea why no fly zones are bad. trillion Feb 2016 #121

So MS Goldman Sachs is presidential material? You like your corporate candiates bought out throughly trillion Feb 2016 #110

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Sound like a Repub Wibly Feb 2016 #131

Hillary won't even accept his challenge to debate in her home state. frylock Feb 2016 #8

I thought Clinton wanted a robust debate? Why not "force" him to debate in NH by agreeing? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #11

Of course, one might say Clinton and her stooge DWS whined and screamed for fewer debates. Gene Debs Feb 2016 #17

The only ones spamming social media murielm99 Feb 2016 #20

So now.... Fuddnik Feb 2016 #60

That was Bernie's demand. murielm99 Feb 2016 #62

That was the conditions he accepted on. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #94

I have seen so much right-wing sourcing here on DU murielm99 Feb 2016 #102

Okay. It looks like you need a course on the internets LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #184

I think it's well established who the cowards have been in the debate process DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #124

And Hillary didn't, until she sensed her campaign was in trouble. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #22

Moral compass? murielm99 Feb 2016 #29

BAM! Smackdown. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #81

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We are responding to the months of smears and attacks by murielm99 Feb 2016 #105

Not unprecedented. And you might want to read Greenwald's piece. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #114

�Bernie Bros� Narrative: a Cheap Campaign Tactic Masquerading as Journalism &Social Activism KoKo Feb 2016 #160

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Debates are't Bernie's biggest strength, I agree Philos Feb 2016 #134

Yes, I repeat myself. Moral compass. I'm talking about the candidates here. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #136

Exactly, murielm99. Wonder if he'll even give that fp speech before the NH primary. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #188

If debates are so good for Clinton and bad for Sanders, why does he want 4 more hughee99 Feb 2016 #201

Debates can't be held at Hillary's whim. earthside Feb 2016 #26

Hillary's whim? murielm99 Feb 2016 #30

Yeah he doesn't change what he says he believes depending on his audience... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #51

Well, that is the meme of the day, isn't it? murielm99 Feb 2016 #56

Hillary can debate him anywhere anytime.. frylock Feb 2016 #84

'He says the same things over and over,' unlike Hillary who changes he beliefs daily? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #126

That's the new reality. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #170

"he is afraid to debate" left-of-center2012 Feb 2016 #35

The article says that Bernie will not participate unless murielm99 Feb 2016 #38

Ah, so you want things to be done Hillary's way, and Hillary's way only. frylock Feb 2016 #86

Flameout JimDandy Feb 2016 #133

Sure. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #50

LOL - do u pay attn to DNC news !!! alittlelark Feb 2016 #82

It's kind of hard to debate someone who flip flops every day trillion Feb 2016 #106

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #107

Do you not even know what a super pac is? It's the unlimited millions corporations can give trillion Feb 2016 #112

He's not afraid of debates. He wants more. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #135

I wonder if maybe we have JP Morgan Chase sponsor NY, HRC will be contractually obligated to appear? Earth_First Feb 2016 #4

I like it! frylock Feb 2016 #16

It is either more debates or not, Hillary is very good at the debates, it gives her an equal Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #6

No, she's actually not good at debates because Bernie is intelligent enough to ask the right trillion Feb 2016 #120

Actually the speeches at GD may be important to some, being able Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #143

What I've seen of her foreign policy so far has been horrid. trillion Feb 2016 #180

What is horrid is being in congress for twenty five years and can not give more than Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #186

I remember when she was trying to convince us to go to war with Iran... trillion Feb 2016 #196

Do you remember Sanders one sentence answer to the foreign policy question Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #197

Actually, no I don't. trillion Feb 2016 #198

Then why is Clinton balking at 3 more debates and demanding only one more? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #176

I saw him on television talking abut it the other day hollysmom Feb 2016 #9

How DARE he want the majority of The Voting Public to be as informed as possible. Volaris Feb 2016 #78

Now, now, he's a dirty fucking *socialist* communist. Get it right. eggplant Feb 2016 #111

lol. I am looking forward to the GOP's red-baiting being a totally worthless attack. Volaris Feb 2016 #119

I was born in the 60's as with most of my friends. trillion Feb 2016 #129

thats because they get most of their journalism from the web, instead of from broadcast (or cable) Volaris Feb 2016 #138

+10000 trillion Feb 2016 #182

this is game playing from Clinton NowSam Feb 2016 #10

The NH debate was Rachel Maddow's idea, Sanders & O'Malley agreed to it. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #21

Sigh. NowSam Feb 2016 #23

It is Bernie who has changed his positions, first agreeing to the NH debate, now refusing... SunSeeker Feb 2016 #27

Is NY not home turf for Hillary? frylock Feb 2016 #24

She lives in Chappaqa and was born in Illinois. Why does Bernie insist on Brooklyn? SunSeeker Feb 2016 #25

I saw mention of Brooklyn in the article. frylock Feb 2016 #33

Maybe you shouldn't rely on the Washington Times for your news. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #40

Oh, forgive me for following the link in the fucking OP.. frylock Feb 2016 #55

You asked for a link. That is the first one that popped up for Bernie's Brooklyn demand. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #57

No, I'm "pissed" by your condescending reply. frylock Feb 2016 #61

Why is Sanders refusing ANY additional debates unless he gets one in Brooklyn. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #191

Hillary selected a venue, so it's only fair that Bernie select a venue. frylock Feb 2016 #192

Hillary did not select the NH venue, Rachel/MSNBC did. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #193

Flint MI was chosen by Hillary. frylock Feb 2016 #194

She suggested it, she is not insisting on it. Sanders wants Brooklyn or NOTHING. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #195

Yeah, it'd be terrible to have the debate in the same place as Clinton's HQ. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #177

No, Hillary and O'Malley agreed to it....Sanders did not virtualobserver Feb 2016 #28

Yes he did. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #34

he said count me in, in the abstract.....and he will do the debate virtualobserver Feb 2016 #42

Oh please, there was nothing "abstract" about it. He lied. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #49

Bullshit virtualobserver Feb 2016 #54

Sanders to Maddow on 1-19-16: "If the other candidates are in, you count me in." SunSeeker Feb 2016 #65

it was a hypothetical......he is willing to do it....on his terms virtualobserver Feb 2016 #73

Got it, you can't take Bernie at his word. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #77

Bernie is showing a Presidential ability to negotiate. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #85

Bernie is showing he is an untrustworthy politician. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #87

and he will. when Hillary backs down. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #88

Hillary already agreed to the NH debate. There is nothing for her to back down from. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #91

she will agree to the NYC debate....tomorrow. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #92

Why the new Sanders conditions? Why did he go back on his word to Rachel? nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #93

Bernie is running for President virtualobserver Feb 2016 #97

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That is not true, just as it was not true when you said there was a debate scheduled for 2/1... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #48

It is true. Bernie says it right in the video. How can you dispute Bernie's own words? SunSeeker Feb 2016 #53

You need to watch again, he never agreed to a debate on February 1st ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #63

Sanders to Maddow on 1-19-16: "If the other candidates are in, you count me in." SunSeeker Feb 2016 #76

The Sanders campaign would only agree to a debate sanctioned by the DNC ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #96

She picked the Feb. 4 date per Bernie's demands of a weekday. But he agreed to a NH debate first. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #189

exactly. she is setting up bernie for blame hopemountain Feb 2016 #32

If she wants the debate so bad, agree to the slate. Blue State Bandit Feb 2016 #12

This is how you negotiate a deal, right here. frylock Feb 2016 #13

Ball in his court at the moment Pharaoh Feb 2016 #14

Can't have a debate with one person. fbc Feb 2016 #15

Her campaign HQ is there too! What's up with her not wanting to talk in NY???? ViseGrip Feb 2016 #18

They could hold the debate in the Goldman Sachs auditorium. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #45

Sanders Calls for More Debates - January 27 slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #19

Good. What do Clinton and DWS not understand about 'more' debates? They don't get to just make GoneFishin Feb 2016 #31

Pretty interesting. Eko Feb 2016 #36

He's right. Shouldn't zentrum Feb 2016 #37

LOL. No debates for Clinton except on Sanders' terms. mhatrw Feb 2016 #39

Oh jeese....they complain for 9 months that there aren't enough debates...and now this? George II Feb 2016 #43

She snaps her fingers and Bernie 840high Feb 2016 #52

It is Bernie who is snapping his fingers and making conditions after agreeing to a NH debate. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #59

BS this is what the Sanders campaign said, look at THE DATE ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #66

I'm not saying did. I'm saying he agreed with Rachel to do a NH debate. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #83

Obviously, BS supporters think the campaign manager's words are worth more than his own. eom tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #163

Sanders knows after NH it's over Gman Feb 2016 #58

Well that's not true - it's over for Clinton within 60 days Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #64

Not true. It's going to be a long hard debate season for both Sanders and Clinton as the politicos trillion Feb 2016 #125

Oh damn...you need to check your spelling there passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #137

I was too tired last night. Yep, spelling. Got to get to work and will be too tired tonight. trillion Feb 2016 #181

Hey, don't worry about it. I made me spit out my water. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #183

I love it when Bernie takes charge. He knows what to do! bbgrunt Feb 2016 #68

"So, we NOW have a new Democratic debate scheduled before the Iowa caucuses? slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #69

Good. AzDar Feb 2016 #70

Fuck DWS and Hillary and the DNC. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #72

Hillary Clinton to New York City: NO! slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #74

Bernie Sanders to New Hampshire: NO! SunSeeker Feb 2016 #89

BS as already explained here ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #98

Rachel did not "just" add a debate. She got the candidates to agree to the NH debate first. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #104

Again BS, just posted what you wrote that Rachel added a debate and now it was to make Bernie happy! slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #109

She picked the Feb. 4 date per Bernie's demands of a weekday. But he agreed to a NH debate first. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #116

How dare you! St. Bernard can never tell a lie tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #164

NH to Bernie Sanders: YES!!!! tazkcmo Feb 2016 #158

And yet he is so afraid of debating before the NH primary that he broke his word to Rachel. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #190

You're so cute! n/t tazkcmo Feb 2016 #199

Thanks! SunSeeker Feb 2016 #200

Well played! frylock Feb 2016 #90

Yes!!! nt slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #99

Is Colonel Sanders Chicken? toothless dragon Feb 2016 #113

Didn't trump pull something like this? gwheezie Feb 2016 #117

Because they know New York might go for Sanders, and could be a game-changer. californiabernin Feb 2016 #127

He wants more debates. Wibly Feb 2016 #132

You would think she'd be eager to debate in New York. I don't understand why she doesn't want to. polly7 Feb 2016 #139

This is Bernie's campaign not letting themselves get jerked around. freedom fighter jh Feb 2016 #142

This illustrates Bernie's lack of negotiating skill and why he has no endorsements from Congress... Sancho Feb 2016 #144

LOL. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #145

You're right... I hadn't thought of it that way. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #147

Wow, get a clue about the facts before you spout off, Sancho. JudyM Feb 2016 #157

I'll ignore the typical personal attacks... Sancho Feb 2016 #169

Ok, 1st, it is very rare for me, not "typical"... 2nd, what you cite here is HRCs website and more JudyM Feb 2016 #175

As much as I'd like to see them debate again, and as enjoyable as it would be ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #146

If that's true, why does Clinton only want one more debate, and not the 3 Sanders is asking for? nt jeff47 Feb 2016 #178

Not impressed with this gambit. Adrahil Feb 2016 #149

When it comes to bargaining, I'll put my Jewish Grandfather up against anyone ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #152

bernie doing a trump?? beachbum bob Feb 2016 #153

This doesn't seem like a wise move mcar Feb 2016 #154

I do not agree to skip any debates. The location is not important. Use homes to lower the cost. Sunlei Feb 2016 #165

If Sanders and Clinton have both agreed to this debate already this looks bad. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #167

It Was a Good Political Maneuver by Team Hillary gordyfl Feb 2016 #187

+10000 Always enjoy Bernie. trillion Feb 2016 #202