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In reply to the discussion: Venezuela bans private gun ownership [View all]appal_jack
(3,813 posts)58. lots of nutter sites, which I won't link to, but Wikipedia too
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control#History
Gun control opponents often cite the example of the Nazi regime, claiming that once the Nazis had taken and consolidated their power, they proceeded to implement gun control laws to disarm the population and wipe out the opposition, and the genocide of disarmed Jews, gypsies, and other "undesirables" followed.[9][10][12] Historians have pointed out that the preceding democratic Weimar Republic already had restrictive gun laws, which were actually liberalised by the Nazis when they came to power. According to the Weimar Republic 1928 Law on Firearms & Ammunition, firearms acquisition or carrying permits were only to be granted to persons of undoubted reliability, andin the case of a firearms carry permitonly if a demonstration of need is set forth. The Nazis replaced this law with the Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, which was very similar in structure and wording, but relaxed gun control requirements for the general population. This relaxation included the exemption from regulation of all weapons and ammunition except handguns, the extension of the range of persons exempt from the permit requirement, and the lowering of the age for acquisition of firearms from 20 to 18. It did, however, prohibit manufacturing of firearms and ammunition by Jews.[13] Shortly thereafter, in the additional Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons of November 11, 1938, Jews were forbidden from possession of any weapons at all.[12][13]
Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union did not abolish personal gun ownership during the initial period from 1918 to 1929, and the introduction of gun control in 1929 coincided with the beginning of the repressive Stalinist regime.[14]
Emphases mine. Yes, the Nazis allowed their loyal supporters to retain firearms, but that is a restrictive form of 'shall-issue,' and not anything resembling freedom. Remember that already by 1938, many gays, communists, Jews, and other opponents of Nazism were already being harassed or imprisoned. If you were allowed to own a gun by then, you were unquestionably a Nazi supporter, "Good" Germans' later denials notwithstanding.
And (on-edit):
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Guns
The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.
Adolf Hitler, dinner talk (April 1942), in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, pp. 425-426.
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I'm sure the criminals in Caracas will be eager to turn in their weapons in honor of Dear Leader
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#1
They'll be here any second to tell us we need to educate ourselves about Venezuela
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#3
But it makes perfect sense to call someone Glenn Beck because you disagree with them.
Lasher
Jun 2012
#21
No, it's Glenn Beck who I first heard use that argument without getting called on it.
harmonicon
Jun 2012
#26
That last quote is in reference to the people of the eastern nations that germany conquered on the w
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2012
#80
It still represented a relaxation of the firearms laws from the Weimar Republic.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2012
#81
Hitler also implemented a 40 hour work week, paid vacations, and social security
Major Nikon
Jun 2012
#75
Only lunatics and some Teabaggers believe that they could somehow oppose the federal
Flatulo
Jun 2012
#89
150,000,000 gun owners. 8700 murders. Do the math and tell me about that "tendency".
hack89
Jun 2012
#94
He has a private militia now? Fascinating. That's a news story I'd like to see a link to. (nt)
harmonicon
Jun 2012
#15
In a way you could say that they all are, as the US president is the commander...
harmonicon
Jun 2012
#32
Because the article specifically states it was taken out of the military chain of command? nt
hack89
Jun 2012
#53
It's a twofer!Room for gun wavers to all focus on the Venezuelan President who might grab their guns
Judi Lynn
Jun 2012
#18
No doubt they'll ban guns again, since it apparently didn't take the first time. nt
Flatulo
Jun 2012
#50
I'm suitably astounded with your deficit in comprehension / lack of knowledge of the UK
dipsydoodle
Jun 2012
#55
Still a tiny fraction per 100k people compared to here in gun madness central.
onehandle
Jun 2012
#33
Funny, I thought easy access to firearms was supposed to prevent government tyranny like this... nt
killbotfactory
Jun 2012
#71
Venezuela Launches Official Production of Third-Generation Kalashnikov Rifles ( 2010 article )
may3rd
Jun 2012
#63
Kid, the next time I say something like "Let's go someplace like Venezuela,
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#67
Venezuela has historically high murder rates, gun violence: Chavez gets blamed and attacked for it
Alamuti Lotus
Jun 2012
#84
I don't get it. How does free dentistry and longer coffee breaks for the poor become 'looting'.
Prometheus Bound
Jun 2012
#117