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PATRICK

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79. Generally this seems spot on

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:03 PM

Dec 2011

The entire "news" and polling apparatus seems designed to pump up the GOP and deflate Dems regardless of the reality within the commons. The game of the mad Tea party succeeded in a) making noise to cover the vacuum of accountability or truth in any sense for that matter(success) b) letting off steam for the tools now being tossed back in the bucket until GOTV comes along. It may have failed utterly in raising up Romney and in actually turning off the voters, but the continued media respect for the game keeps it not only afloat but poised for any actual state of com petition that in any rational; framework at all is a laughable pathetic fraud of incredibly insulting dimensions.

The machinations of late seem to be that now that the clowns have run their "not Romney" pathos full circle the primaries must be rigged against Ron Paul or one of the others actually winning or destroying Romney utterly in the process. A brokered convention seems equally hopeless yet it could launch the career of yet another wannabe monster. A ticket including the least damaging tea Party sellout seems as unlikely.
The news people desperately want the "contest" to succeed. So far it is all fraud, all moronic, anti everything poor performances including retreads already pre-rejected with good cause.

What then is the stage they have in mind for 2012 which alone might be of realistic significance?

What a farce of misinformation. There might be hope for this nation were the people truly aware of this two party train-wreck that precludes all choice of the best of two good options and a corporate world that lusts for madness and control with moronic abandon.

I have as many complaints about Obama as anyone but as in 2008 there is no other sane option and most people I believe know this whatever the rationale they could offer. Romney just gives them a soft landing to help build up their ludicrous misrepresentations in Congress.

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Poll: U.S. sees Obama as liberal [View all] TomCADem Dec 2011 OP

Cough (Bullshit push poll) Cough Vincardog Dec 2011 #1

Yup kenfrequed Dec 2011 #21

Generally this seems spot on PATRICK Dec 2011 #79

This is interesting, the survey methods� Demit Dec 2011 #26

Isn't MOE based on number of participants? dkf Dec 2011 #33

Is that how it usually works? I didn't know that. Demit Dec 2011 #42

It's a question of sampling. Igel Dec 2011 #51

Ah, I see. Demit Dec 2011 #64

No hope for the country until the propaganda apparatus is destroyed Doctor_J Dec 2011 #2

People call themselves coservative, yet support many liberal/progressive policies. Dawson Leery Dec 2011 #11

This is true. CrispyQ Dec 2011 #22

Or, been brainwashed into equating "conservative" with 'rational' and 'fair', as opposed to gateley Dec 2011 #32

Pew Poll: Term "Progressive" Viewed as MOST Political Positive Label 66 dmhlt Dec 2011 #71

They do for themselves, but not for anyone else. Gemini Cat Dec 2011 #78

occupying the media would be the best thing Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #35

+1 slay Dec 2011 #47

yeah, well, if this poll was actually correct newspeak Dec 2011 #80

correction....commie liberal Demonaut Dec 2011 #3

And Dr Strangelove as a moderate. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2011 #4

It's sad what "liberal" has come to mean. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #5

democrats Inc have allowed liberal to become a dirty word in its ever rightward lurch nt msongs Dec 2011 #6

This is true. If you don't define yourself, others will. And they have. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #23

Agreed. ... markpkessinger Dec 2011 #76

but we know better....obama is about s liberal as Reagan, nt bowens43 Dec 2011 #7

Yeah because everybody is stupid except you, because Kahuna Dec 2011 #68

You're not stupid. Just wrong. Zhade Dec 2011 #75

Correct. harun Jan 2012 #83

so was there a questionnaire, or did they merely ask people to rate themselves on a scale of 1-5? frylock Dec 2011 #8

Pounded home by Fox News for a year before the election, and continuing today JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #9

which means they're not paying attention ixion Dec 2011 #10

Yes, indeed.... SteveW Dec 2011 #24

...And why Obama Keep going MORE and MORE Right! torotoro Dec 2011 #12

I'd like documented instances of when he "capitulated" to the "left" anywhere near zbdent Dec 2011 #18

The "left?" What is the left? What is the left? Anything left of the left? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #25

Yes... kenfrequed Dec 2011 #34

More right than Bush II? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #19

More proof Americans are not smart treestar Dec 2011 #13

Don't fault Americans... SteveW Dec 2011 #28

The right wing smear machine works Charlemagne Dec 2011 #14

Right, because most leftists I know would keep dem Tax Cuts for the Wealthy intact! HughBeaumont Dec 2011 #15

He's not that liberal, but he should be. The perception that Obama is a liberal should be a good totodeinhere Dec 2011 #16

The last liberal President we've had was Richard Nixon. Doc_Technical Dec 2011 #17

Probably right. He also started the EPA. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #30

Most Americans believe what they hear on their TV's Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2011 #20

We have allowed these labels to define all political issues in America tularetom Dec 2011 #27

Funny thing is also more Americans think they're conservatives. ProgressoDem Dec 2011 #29

that's what happens when the 'left' gives 1000 coordinated RW radio stations a free speech free ride certainot Dec 2011 #31

i bet the same people think MSNBC is liberal n/t Enrique Dec 2011 #36

Oh great, just what he/we need... vi5 Dec 2011 #37

Related poll-Millions of Americans found to have heads up their asses. abq e streeter Dec 2011 #38

This is an example of how the corporate media distorts the American People's perception Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #39

Agree! patrice Dec 2011 #45

Define "liberal." Deep13 Dec 2011 #40

That's because the MSM keep calling Obama "liberal" Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #41

Asking people to self-identify based on the label "liberal" or "conservative" is nonsense high density Dec 2011 #43

This is because "America" has little or no actual experience of what a Liberal is, so they don't patrice Dec 2011 #44

And Obama is not even liberal! slay Dec 2011 #46

I'd say you know the fix is in when Obama is portrayed as liberal. nt TBF Dec 2011 #48

Wonder what they would call us? jwirr Dec 2011 #49

WHAT? humbled_opinion Dec 2011 #50

Either US still mostly inhabited by low information voters. Or it's another BS push poll. pam4water Dec 2011 #52

I think it is libmom74 Dec 2011 #53

Actually... Doc Holliday Dec 2011 #58

Yeah I believe that madokie Dec 2011 #54

Everyone please check out the page and Chart on the link below Tx4obama Dec 2011 #55

Everyone please check out charts below progressoid Dec 2011 #65

Your chart/link does NOT list any data used for the chart - my chart/link DOES :) Tx4obama Dec 2011 #66

Data? progressoid Dec 2011 #77

So ontheissues agrees with Fox "News" Doctor_J Dec 2011 #81

because of the MSM. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #56

Given that this poll in 2008 put Obama at 2.5 I think American's are smarter... joshcryer Dec 2011 #57

uh, well, not exactly..nt and-justice-for-all Dec 2011 #59

The U.S. is chock full of morons. MrSlayer Dec 2011 #60

Straight up F&$/@ng bullshit BadGimp Dec 2011 #61

This reminds me of a republican I spoke to at Thanksgiving on Disability who believes in gay marriag musicblind Dec 2011 #62

Corporate fix is right... CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #63

"USA Today/Gallup Poll"... *snort* NuttyFluffers Dec 2011 #67

That's good news, especially considering how the right... Scuba Dec 2011 #69

The follow up question should be: As compared to? nt Javaman Dec 2011 #70

. . . and "is being liberal good or bad?" Jack Rabbit Dec 2011 #73

That's about right center rising Dec 2011 #72

Almost exactly in the middle is "liberal?" ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #74

TOTAL CLUELESS!!! Americans there's NOTHING Liberal about President Obama bigdarryl Jan 2012 #82