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In reply to the discussion: Supreme Court backs Secret Service arrest of man confronting Cheney [View all]Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)3. No surprise here
What was never addressed was did he IN FACT "bump" Cheney. That finding would have made this ruling justified or unjustified. What makes this utter nonsense is this statement:
This court has never recognized a First Amendment right to be free from a retaliatory arrest that is supported by probable cause, said Justice Clarence Thomas. Such a right was certainly not clearly established at the time of Howards arrest, he added.
In my view, any "retaliatory arrest" should be illegal. Either a person is arrested with probably cause, or they were not. Thomas specifically carves out a new arrest parameter (retaliatory arrest) and declares it legal as long as some "probable cause" is supplied LATER.
It began on June 16, 2006 when Steven Howards spotted Cheney emerging from a shopping mall in Beaver Creek, Colo., and chatting amiably with several persons. Howards approached the vice president and allegedly pushed or touched him on the shoulder as he voiced his criticism.
Nothing happened immediately, but Gus Reichle, a Secret Service coordinator on the scene, heard about the incident from other agents. He then confronted Howards, accused him of an assault and ordered his arrest.
Howards was detained for several hours and released. No charges were filed against him.
No charges were filed.
NO CHARGES WERE FILED.
The decision to arrest was made long after the incident took place, and there was plenty of time for reflection on whether an actual assault occurred.
The man was arrested for daring to criticize Cheney.
So now, "retaliatory arrest" is now legal.
Again, why do people think I am crazy when I state that we live in a de facto police state?
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I didn't. It was in your agreement with the verdict. If you read the SC's rationale for said verdict
villager
Jun 2012
#7
Ginsburg and Breyer voted with the others so do you claim that they support retaliatory arrests?
cstanleytech
Jun 2012
#12
No charges being filed doesnt mean they dont have grounds techincally for an arrest.
cstanleytech
Jun 2012
#15
Wasnt that ruling based around the whole "they arent citizens so they have no rights" excuse? If so
cstanleytech
Jun 2012
#46
Actually the court hasnt ruled on that aspect yet for US citizens if your refering to
cstanleytech
Jun 2012
#57
You can be arrested pretty easy already if a police officer is determined enough to do so the ruling
cstanleytech
Jun 2012
#47
I dont recall it specifying the time though but thats not the point which was the court
cstanleytech
Jun 2012
#56
Equating Cheney to Eichmann is somewhat ahistorical. Cheney is more akin to
coalition_unwilling
Jun 2012
#21
Well, I'm an opponent of capital punishment, even for the darkest of rodents, so
coalition_unwilling
Jun 2012
#36
Russ Feingold would have taken them on, as would Eliot Spitzer or Anthony Weiner. But the
coalition_unwilling
Jun 2012
#54
Listen carefully Can you hearing the Founding Father's scream from their graves at the outrageous
lookingfortruth
Jun 2012
#9
Let's just face it this Deomcracy is a fraud. It has been the United States for the Corporations of
lookingfortruth
Jun 2012
#19
"he had bumped the vice president." Really? He "bumped" Cheney? What does that mean?
wordpix
Jun 2012
#26