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Yo_Mama

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64. That means that the Senate has to consent for an SC justice to be appointed.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:15 PM
Feb 2016

It does not mean that the Senate has to agree to whatever candidate the president chooses. Please, don't blame the President for the Constitution.

He should send them a nomination. Then the pressure switches to the Senate, because the members of the public that are paying attention probably won't like the Senate refusing to act.

But they could do their thing, slowly, solemnly go through the motions, and then reject the nomination. Then it would start all over. Either way, the Senate does have the constitutional power to run out the clock.

This is, constitutionally speaking, a split power. There are quite a few, and the Supreme Court has generally ruled for Congress when split powers cases have been heard.

Justice Jackson's concurrence in Youngstown is classically cited:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/343/579/case.html#634

The actual art of governing under our Constitution does not, and cannot, conform to judicial definitions of the power of any of its branches based on isolated clauses, or even single Articles torn from context. While the Constitution diffuses power the better to secure liberty, it also contemplates that practice will integrate the dispersed powers into a workable government. It enjoins upon its branches separateness but interdependence, autonomy but reciprocity. Presidential powers are not fixed but fluctuate depending upon their disjunction or conjunction with those of Congress. We may well begin by a somewhat over-simplified grouping of practical situations in which a President may doubt, or others may challenge, his powers, and by distinguishing roughly the legal consequences of this factor of relativity.

1. When the President acts pursuant to an express or implied authorization of Congress, his authority is at its maximum, for it includes all that he possesses in his own right plus all that Congress can delegate. [Footnote 4/2] In these circumstances and in these only, may he be said (for what it may be worth) to personify the federal sovereignty. If his act is held unconstitutional under these circumstances, it usually means that the Federal Government, as an undivided whole, lacks power. A seizure executed by the President pursuant to an Act of Congress would be supported by the strongest of presumptions and the widest latitude of judicial interpretation, and the burden of persuasion would rest heavily upon any who might attack it.

2. When the President acts in absence of either a congressional grant or denial of authority, he can only rely upon his own independent powers, but there is a zone of twilight in which he and Congress may have concurrent authority, or in which its distribution is uncertain. Therefore, congressional inertia, indifference or quiescence may sometimes, at least, as a practical matter, enable, if not invite, measures on independent presidential responsibility. In this area, any actual test of power is likely to depend on the imperatives of events and contemporary imponderables, rather than on abstract theories of law. [Footnote 4/3]

3. When the President takes measures incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress, his power is at its lowest ebb, for then he can rely only upon his own constitutional powers minus any constitutional powers of Congress over the matter. Courts can sustain exclusive presidential control in such a case only by disabling the Congress from acting upon the subject. [Footnote 4/4] Presidential claim to a power at once so conclusive and preclusive must be scrutinized with caution, for what is at stake is the equilibrium established by our constitutional system.


In this case, the Constitution is very explicit. The President may only appoint an SC justice with the consent of Congress, barring a recess appointment, which would only last until January in any case. And in 2014, in deciding NLRB v Canning, by 9-0 the sitting justices said that if Congress wants to stay in session it can, and the President may not decide they are in recess if they say they are not.

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Just for comparison in terms of moving the dial 6chars Feb 2016 #1
Bush 1 had control of the Senate at the time... brooklynite Feb 2016 #4
Bush I Never Had a Republican Senate OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #46
I am, as of this moment, putting a serious curse on Turtle man. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #2
I'll stick some pins in his voodoo doll, myself wordpix Feb 2016 #55
I don't blame you. And please include this laundromat vulture in your thoughts: forest444 Feb 2016 #61
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i don't disagree... tk2kewl Feb 2016 #32
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thank you tk2kewl Feb 2016 #38
Despite what most think of Wellstone ruled Feb 2016 #42
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It looks like a carefully considered way to put the Republicans in a bigger bind... Human101948 Feb 2016 #6
A futile mission vinny9698 Feb 2016 #7
Well Said n/t DarthDem Feb 2016 #9
Right about who they will appoint. If we have President tRump, AllyCat Feb 2016 #23
i think... getagrip_already Feb 2016 #33
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now that is interesting. getagrip_already Feb 2016 #39
Given that the Court upheld the pro forma approach 9-0 onenote Feb 2016 #45
SC said 9-0 that it is constitutional in NLRB v Canning, decided 2014 Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #60
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That means that the Senate has to consent for an SC justice to be appointed. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #64
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And the nomination removes a Republican governor before the election. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #52
Not only that but a potential future nominee for President Yavin4 Feb 2016 #57
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