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hamsterjill

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60. Sad, but necessary.

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:44 AM

Feb 2016

I'm sorry that UT students will be denied the education that they should be receiving from good teachers like Professor Steiner, but I totally support his desire to leave. It's ludicrous that guns should have any place in a learning environment.

The very idea that teachers and professors should have to be concerned about what they teach (as illustrated in an article released earlier this week), is sheer madness. We, as a society, cannot be expected to tip toe through life to avoid igniting some crazy person's ire and having that person react with a gun. The solution is to make it IMPOSSIBLE for that crazy person to ever get a gun (or any weapon) in the first place.

Ugh! I'm a lifelong Texan and I don't recognize my state any more. Please, please, please know that not all Texans are idiots!

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University Of Texas Dean To Leave State, Citing Concerns Over New Campus Carry Law [View all] SecularMotion Feb 2016 OP

One of many rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #1

I would leave too, I just can't imagine any wise and sane person seeing this as a good thing, RKP5637 Feb 2016 #32

Gun nuts. Backwards schoolbooks. Ted Cruz. Poisoning by deregulation. onehandle Feb 2016 #2

More fall out, this is so sad although perfectly understandable. UT Austin is such a fantastic Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #3

I have two kids graduating this Spring! Glad they will be out of harms way. Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #8

Yes and I hope it works. I have friends there, more than a few and it is worrisome. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #9

I graduated from UT in the 80's and it was an awesome experience! My kids have loved it as well. Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #17

Yep, awesome Austin. I think that is great your kids went there too...very cool. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #28

I could never sit in class with people around me packing guns. FFS, what a horrible environment. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #33

It's interesting that private conservative universities in Texas have opted out. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #36

How would you know? GGJohn Feb 2016 #39

Kids in school generally know what's going on. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #40

Again, how would you know if it's concealed? GGJohn Feb 2016 #41

Please see #42. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #43

Because those people never leave them concealed! scscholar Feb 2016 #79

And you know this..................how? GGJohn Feb 2016 #80

Another question I have, is who are they protecting themselves from? RKP5637 Feb 2016 #42

How many school shootings have there been? GGJohn Feb 2016 #45

To be truthful, I have not tracked it that closely, but I wonder if this becomes more prevalent, RKP5637 Feb 2016 #46

And Wee Jimmy Kranky may become Scotland's first minister. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #71

... GGJohn Feb 2016 #73

Because, like Zman they intimidate and sometimes shoot unarmed people. But, to you Hoyt Feb 2016 #82

Oh, look, it's Hoyt telling lies again about me. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #83

Both of you - take it to the gungeon The Redheaded Guy Feb 2016 #87

Hoyt's been banned from the Gungeon for a bigoted, racist rant GGJohn Feb 2016 #88

Not really. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #90

Georgia has had concealed carry on university campuses since 2010. Calista241 Feb 2016 #47

It could be something that goes by the wayside once the heat of discussion is over wherein RKP5637 Feb 2016 #50

They're protecting themselves... a la izquierda Feb 2016 #92

Yep, I think they have a touch of paranoia! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #94

There's no reason at all to carry a gun to school rockfordfile Feb 2016 #74

I disagree. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #77

You interact with and are surrounded by people every day who conceal carry.... TipTok Feb 2016 #52

That could be considered a "hostile environment" 2naSalit Feb 2016 #63

I recall well in the dorms I would have been uncomfortable, some of the guys were clearly RKP5637 Feb 2016 #68

One of my profs 2naSalit Feb 2016 #85

Can't blame him. Vinca Feb 2016 #4

Yes I agree rockfordfile Feb 2016 #75

As the ceremonial "Going Away to College Firearm" becomes a proud Texas tradition. NBachers Feb 2016 #5

I'm so glad my nephew leftynyc Feb 2016 #6

Do you suppose the NRA allows people to bring guns into their headquarters? Lodestar Feb 2016 #7

The NRA does indeed permit gun owners to carry guns in their headquarters branford Feb 2016 #72

Staff, but not visitors. NRA staff are mostly right wing racists, like the board and members. Hoyt Feb 2016 #84

Sigh... branford Feb 2016 #86

Clearly, an attempt to intimidate free speech and debate. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #10

If that were true, GGJohn Feb 2016 #16

My kids have had a couple of alerts due to people with guns on campus already, it will be Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #19

But were those by CHL holders? GGJohn Feb 2016 #24

Any moment now... TipTok Feb 2016 #53

Voting with his feet. Nitram Feb 2016 #11

+1 2naSalit Feb 2016 #62

Success for the GOP. Turbineguy Feb 2016 #12

How many campus tragedies will it take before this law is repealed? nt Nitram Feb 2016 #13

How many campus tragedies have happened at other colleges that allow for GGJohn Feb 2016 #15

I didn't know therew were colleges that allowed concealed carrry. Nitram Feb 2016 #18

There are eight states, some dating back decades. Nt hack89 Feb 2016 #21

Here is a breakdown. GGJohn Feb 2016 #22

Thanks, GGJohn. I had no clue. Nitram Feb 2016 #26

To be fair, probably very few students carry, GGJohn Feb 2016 #31

Good point. Nitram Feb 2016 #35

It would closely correlate to the number of assholes attending. snort Feb 2016 #44

In Texas that would be above the national mean. nt Nitram Feb 2016 #69

That map seems to be outdated. LisaL Feb 2016 #98

Sorry LisaL, GGJohn Feb 2016 #100

Here's a pretty good one just a few months ago Major Nikon Feb 2016 #29

One incident on one campus out of how many that allow for it? GGJohn Feb 2016 #34

It's weird right? TipTok Feb 2016 #54

Other than the porn industry, GGJohn Feb 2016 #55

How many incidents before it is relevant to discuss the enlightenment Feb 2016 #57

I ask again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #59

Having been to college, I know the lack of judgement of men that age, particularly when... Nitram Feb 2016 #91

please Skittles Feb 2016 #89

Unfortunately UT will likely lose many more faculty and admins over this. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #14

I don't think "uncertainty" about the safety of guns in the hands of immature young men... Nitram Feb 2016 #20

Is 21 really immature? Nt hack89 Feb 2016 #23

In most cases, yes. Nitram Feb 2016 #27

By the time I was 20, GGJohn Feb 2016 #58

Auto insurance underwriters generally charge higher rates up until age 25. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #38

Exactly, there are many options other than UT, and many IMO will take those options. RKP5637 Feb 2016 #37

I doubt it Calista241 Feb 2016 #48

But that is part of the plan... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #49

Are you and your fellow Texas Haters on this thread under the impression.... Paladin Feb 2016 #66

Thank you Paladin, GGJohn Feb 2016 #76

I don't blame him. 47of74 Feb 2016 #25

A very wise person to get the hell out of Texas. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #30

Buh bye... TipTok Feb 2016 #51

But for Republicans it not about getting an education, they are against rladdi Feb 2016 #56

Good to see your post. You are exactly right. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2016 #101

Sad, but necessary. hamsterjill Feb 2016 #60

Sorry hamsterjill sarisataka Feb 2016 #64

I honestly don't blame them. hamsterjill Feb 2016 #65

Let's hope this is becomes a trend. SpankMe Feb 2016 #61

A well thought out post. Thank you. nt raccoon Feb 2016 #93

Texas-America's own Petri dish of Fascist ideas. jalan48 Feb 2016 #67

Some delicate flowers are more delicate than other delicate flowers... beevul Feb 2016 #70

Smart guy. Of course being a college Dean they usually are. trillion Feb 2016 #78

He was already planning to leave, GGJohn Feb 2016 #81

He was approached over the years with job offers, which he declined. LisaL Feb 2016 #97

Probably because it offered better pay, benefits, etc. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #99

Why do you insist that it couldn't be the reasons he listed? LisaL Feb 2016 #102

He was already looking for a new postition, I suspect this was just an exucse and a political GGJohn Feb 2016 #103

Where does it say he was already looking for a new position? LisaL Feb 2016 #104

Perhaps they weren't in a location that was suitable for him? GGJohn Feb 2016 #105

TX law doesn't just allow. It demands state colleges allowed guns. LisaL Feb 2016 #106

So does Utah and Colorado public colleges, and yet, it hasn't been a problem with them, GGJohn Feb 2016 #107

Wow, he arranged that new job quickly. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #95

He actually had people approaching him with job offers over the years. LisaL Feb 2016 #96

Those who forget history.... pfitz59 Feb 2016 #108