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happyslug

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11. Mohammad marriage to Aisha was political not sexual
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:37 AM - Edit history (1)

Yes Mohammad married Aisha when she was six, but she was the daughter of the person who became the first Caliph and at the time of the marriage one of Mohammad's closest followers. No sex till she was eleven, and some people question that (Mohammad only child to reach adulthood, Fatima, married Ali who was the fourth Caliph and founder of the Shitte branch of Islam).

As to Asiha, her family help found the dynasty the ruled Islam during the Arab Conquest. She had no children and in her old age lead a revolt against Ali when he was Caliph .

Aisha never liked Ali for when she was 14 she had missed a caravan move and then picked up by man who returned her to her Caravan. She was accused of adultery and when Mohammad asked Ali, Ali said the law was clear, if she was guilty she had to be killed. Mohammad rejected that position and adopted a new rule that you needed four witnesses to prove adultery and since there were less than four witnesses punished the accusers of making a false accusation. Thus Aisha never liked Ali. In her revolt she lost, but Ali forgave her and she lived to see Ali killed and mourned for him.

Aishas wrote several of the Hadith Sunni Islam accept as valid, she is less revered among Shiites.

I bring Aisha up for such marriages where part of the existing pre-islamic Arab culture. Most socities permitted marriages at age 12, including English Common Law. In fact the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled in the late 1990s that the entering into a common law marriage at age 12 was still the law in Pennsylvania in the late 1990s for the State Legislature had never changed the law as to Common Law Marriages. This was one of the reason Pennsylvania finally outlaw such marriages effective January 1, 2005.

Most modern Islamic religious leaders point out that such marriages were common in the time of Mohammad but do to changing society norms no longer acceptable. They use the pray attributed to St Francis, "Give me the strength to change what I can change, the endurance to accept the things I can not change, and the wisdom to know the difference". Mohammad could not change everything that was bad at his time period, and one of those things were marriages before age 12. Such Islamic scholars says it is past time to make that change thus just because Mohammad accepted such a marriage does not mean he approvedof them. The lack of children to Mohammad is a sign that such marriages are bad.

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Child abuse on a massive scale oberliner Feb 2016 #1
"AS YOUNG AS 11????" - DAMN! Herman4747 Feb 2016 #2
The behavior of Muhammad has nothing to do with Islam - Coventina Feb 2016 #5
LOL!! Yeah that definitely deserves a... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #6
The pretzels some twist leftynyc Feb 2016 #9
Mohammad marriage to Aisha was political not sexual happyslug Feb 2016 #11
so if times have changed, why has the interpretion of the religion not changed? patsimp Feb 2016 #15
As I pointed out 12 was the generally accepted age of consent to marriage till the 1800s happyslug Feb 2016 #30
Any chance we can apply modern laws to what is essentially child rape? patsimp Mar 2016 #41
Which set of modern laws? happyslug Mar 2016 #43
it's the religion of love snooper2 Apr 2016 #54
Technically correct... TipTok Apr 2016 #62
Don't worry, some DUers will post that American Christians are worse Democat Feb 2016 #3
American christians send millions of jobs to India, one of the most dangerous whereisjustice Feb 2016 #13
they went to china first. People really seem to hate India on this site. patsimp Feb 2016 #16
They went to Central America and Mexico first... but in terms of exploited and abused women whereisjustice Feb 2016 #17
not from what i've read. Pakistan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia come first patsimp Feb 2016 #19
It's a dubious distinction. India is high on the list. And as far as where we send jobs whereisjustice Feb 2016 #22
The country mentioned is actually Bangladesh, not India muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #21
I'm citing India as a place where we send jobs inspite of horrible human rights record whereisjustice Feb 2016 #23
kicked and recced Arazi Feb 2016 #4
Well, pass laws that no marriage can be recognized under a certain age. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #7
Fuckin' religion valerief Feb 2016 #8
This pre dates Islam happyslug Feb 2016 #31
True, it's a feedback loop Bradical79 Apr 2016 #56
And positive practices. happyslug Apr 2016 #57
Fuckin' this particular religion, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #60
how can they get a spouse visa on an invalid marriage? mopinko Feb 2016 #10
We must respect their "culture" or some shit. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #12
It doesn't say they get a visa, it says they get the *promise* of a visa muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #18
so disgusting. mopinko Feb 2016 #20
General rule on foreign marriages, they are treated as valid. happyslug Feb 2016 #32
Yes, the UK doesn't give visas for spouses until they're 18 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #33
Notice the language the person APPLYING for a visa must be over 18, not his wife. happyslug Feb 2016 #34
It applies to both; findlaw didn't say that, but bradfordlawcentre does muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #37
this is disgusting patsimp Feb 2016 #14
"when they become 'too western'," keithbvadu2 Feb 2016 #24
why come to western countries then? patsimp Feb 2016 #25
To join with their ilk like Duck Dynasty? keithbvadu2 Feb 2016 #38
That's the one that always gets me Recursion Mar 2016 #44
and we are allowing this patsimp Mar 2016 #49
I was going to say something similar. smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #58
In my culture this is sick scubasteve76 Feb 2016 #26
Doesn't matter. A child is a child. Laws override culture. shenmue Feb 2016 #27
.^that 840high Feb 2016 #28
my mistake scubasteve76 Mar 2016 #39
At one point it was culturally acceptable to own slaves in this country. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #48
We are supposed to say 'Stop raping that child'... TipTok Apr 2016 #63
It's sad. romanic Mar 2016 #47
It means something to the girl who has her life stolen Marrah_G Mar 2016 #46
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #59
Enjoy your time at DU Democat Apr 2016 #51
it is sick no matter what the "reason" Skittles Apr 2016 #61
My wife is Pakistani AngryAmish Feb 2016 #29
too many want to keep all the culture that made them want to leave in the first place MariaThinks Feb 2016 #35
I don't think they left because leftynyc Feb 2016 #36
"Anyone who agrees to marry off their 11 year old daughters ought to be thrown the fuck out." Nihil Mar 2016 #40
This is shocking to me patsimp Mar 2016 #42
sick, sick culture Skittles Mar 2016 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #50
Some will call you an "islamophobe" Quantess Apr 2016 #52
Using the Times of India as a source again. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #53
I doubt the law of the UK would allow a visa in that situation treestar Apr 2016 #55
is a marriage done via Skype a legal marriage ? n/t Angel Martin Apr 2016 #64
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