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14. It goes back to what is a Republic.

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:04 PM

Mar 2016

Standing armies were associated with autocratic governments like monarchies and were considered a threat to liberty. Instead, much like Switzerland, we would defend our nation with our citizenry, similar to the "minutemen" concept. One of the reasons to mention well regulated though was our first crack at it sucked - The common farmers that showed up as militia just performed badly in combat. This was a clear concern and it was hoped our society would train much like Switzerland did to defend itself while hoping for peace.
Compare that mindset to today, where we have a large standing army and intervene all around the world.

I do recognize we have serious problems today. I wish we could have a decent discussion and come to a solid agreement on paths forward, but gun ownership has become a culture war between urban and rural and shows no signs of compromise.

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High Court Rejects Appeal Over Ban on Guns at Post Offices [View all] Eugene Mar 2016 OP

A rather obvious and correct decision. NutmegYankee Mar 2016 #1

The Gumpers are not going to like your post, nor Darb Mar 2016 #2

No, that isn't correct TeddyR Mar 2016 #3

Agreed. Darb Mar 2016 #4

An "insecurity blanket," really. Good point. nt villager Mar 2016 #21

I'm fine with it, too. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #35

Neither side will like my post. NutmegYankee Mar 2016 #6

Why mention "militia" at all then? Darb Mar 2016 #9

It goes back to what is a Republic. NutmegYankee Mar 2016 #14

Plus the scale and lethality of the weapons have changed, and you can't keep willfully ignoring that villager Mar 2016 #22

Ah, the "Technology has rendered the Second Amendment obsolete" argument is made friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #27

Good point, a guy in my town today killed 20 people with an HP Officejet. Darb Mar 2016 #43

The First Amendment has moved along with technology...why not the Second? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #51

The Supreme Court just *unanimously* issued the following rejection of your thesis: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #57

No it didn't, my point crushes, as usual. Darb Mar 2016 #74

"(T)he current four that are not fascist assholes" AGREED with the other four friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #78

Separating a baby from his blankey is not worth the effort, Darb Mar 2016 #81

I hope you find all that moralizing and self-righteousness a soothing balm for your soul friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #91

If the Second Amendment TeddyR Mar 2016 #29

Or the courts, depending on whether unfettered distribution of war weapons... villager Mar 2016 #32

But you are arguing policy TeddyR Mar 2016 #37

Rightwing judges presume a lot -- as did the Supreme Court when Scalia was the 5th NRA vote. villager Mar 2016 #38

Yeah TeddyR Mar 2016 #39

Do you really believe it's not going to wind up in court anyway after your NRA compadres villager Mar 2016 #47

The NRA aren't TeddyR Mar 2016 #52

Nice dodge -- but you know your gun-mates *will* take it to court villager Mar 2016 #64

Yeah, lets just forget the privately owned warships and cannons... beevul Mar 2016 #40

Ahh I guess all 8 Justices "willfully ignored that" on Monday. former9thward Mar 2016 #46

Let's see what they do with Colorado's still-standing regulations: villager Mar 2016 #48

Were they worth losing the Colorado state Senate to the GOP? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #53

A progressive liberal also believes that the Constitution is not immutable William Seger Mar 2016 #16

I never said the purpose is for defense against ones own government. NutmegYankee Mar 2016 #18

No - we understand very clearly that the 2A allows strict regulation of guns. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #7

Ok. Darb Mar 2016 #12

What is high capacity in your opinion? nt hack89 Mar 2016 #13

don't take the hack89 bait! maxsolomon Mar 2016 #20

"High capacity" has to equate to a number. hack89 Mar 2016 #23

Exactly. That side will never commit to an unambiguous answer while *pretending* to be reasonable... villager Mar 2016 #24

How about an unambiguous answer from *you*- what's a "large capacity magazine"? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #26

See post 41, Wild Bill. Darb Mar 2016 #42

Presumably that's not to me, since I'm on your side of this issue. villager Mar 2016 #45

'Forced justification' and 'Phelpsing', eh? Noted and figured out *long* ago: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #56

Get that from the NRA did ya? Practice. Darb Mar 2016 #61

No deal, Elmer- it's not up to you, as much as that might chap your ass friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #66

Lost your god Scalia, sit tight. Darb Mar 2016 #71

Do you prefer the Logitech Illuminated or an IBM Model M clone for your gun-control needs? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #79

Hold on to your blankey. Darb Mar 2016 #82

I don't own a gun, and haven't for years. Got any more erroneous assumptions for us? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #87

Over 6. Darb Mar 2016 #41

I say 10 for handguns, 15 for rifles hack89 Mar 2016 #44

What for? What do you need 15 for? Darb Mar 2016 #49

I have a safe full of rifles and mags hack89 Mar 2016 #50

I guess it is all about you then. Darb Mar 2016 #58

No. I just don't like security theater hack89 Mar 2016 #62

"(P)ass the laws you want"? "(G)et busy"? As if! That sort doesn't do real-world politics friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #69

Why don't you quit one-issue trolling? Darb Mar 2016 #72

You obviously know nothing about competitive target shooting hack89 Mar 2016 #75

An unearned and undeserved sense of superiority has long been associated with gun control advocates friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #80

And what are *you* doing in the real world to bring that about? My guess: Nothing,... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #67

I am certainly not running my mouth about my blankey. Darb Mar 2016 #73

Or anything substantial. BTW, you just used *another* fallacy seen prior to your DU stint: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #77

It's none of your business. You are attempting the "forced justification" technique: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #55

Terrorist don't need it, kooks don't need it, and neither do you. Darb Mar 2016 #59

Not up to you, and you'll most likely never do anything in real life to make your dream reality friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #65

Go hug your gun. Darb Mar 2016 #84

Aww, is slacktivism not giving you the same rush that it used to? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #85

"That is why the whiny petulance of modern gun control advocates no longer....... pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #88

Back when they had political pull it carried a little. Not now, of course. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #90

Agreed. Given the fact that the tide is failing to turn they're just getting filthy. NT pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #94

Feh. We figured out posters like you *long* before you ever joined DU: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #54

You can't shoot straight. Darb Mar 2016 #60

Gonna stick with the Phelpsing and Fuddism? Fine- heckling from nonparticipating bystanders... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #68

Non-participating in facilitating mass murder? Exactly right. Darb Mar 2016 #70

Don't mealy-mouth it. Have the courage of your convictions and spit it out. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #76

I thank you, really I do, Darb Mar 2016 #83

I love the smell of undeserved and unearned self-righteousness in the morning friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #86

"Man up, coward. Live in this world without a blanket." pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #89

No different from heckling by a middle schooler- let them get it out of their system friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #93

"Man up"? How unsurprisingly sexist of you... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #92

I don't know why the scared-of-their-own-shadows gun freaks are upset about this. Aristus Mar 2016 #5

While it is security theater in reality, I have no problem with laws like this. hack89 Mar 2016 #8

The government is protected from guns on government property The Second Stone Mar 2016 #10

Good! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #11

The NRA slippery slope. yallerdawg Mar 2016 #15

Appropriate decision.... Deuce Mar 2016 #17

It's just not the same court without Scalia. bemildred Mar 2016 #19

Not even Scalia viewed the 2nd Amendment as absolute. Paladin Mar 2016 #25

Yeah, but you know he just did it to annoy somebody. nt bemildred Mar 2016 #31

And he succeeded, the malignant old bastard. (nt) Paladin Mar 2016 #36

could be that the cons on the Court want to wait until they get another majority TheDormouse Mar 2016 #28

I don't see the relevance of the parking lot part. So the gun owner parks across the street. Brother_Love Mar 2016 #30

"But ...but ... I'm scared to buy stamps when I can't carry my gun!" struggle4progress Mar 2016 #33

Those weapon restrictions in post offices and their parking lots were passed after postal workers fasttense Mar 2016 #34

So how am I suppose to protect myself from Postal Workers going postal? yellowcanine Mar 2016 #63