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Hortensis

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36. Hmm... Arab Spring, religious wars, climate change,

Reply to Deuce (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:37 AM

Mar 2016

disappearing fresh water, falling oil prices, economic collapse, would all have occurred without our disastrous Bush presidency.

And certainly the Islamists were already at war with everyone else, including well over a billion other Muslims. Formation of ISIS was still in the future, but, although it would have been nice if we hadn't provided ISIS with a chaotic Iraq to develop as its stronghold, we didn't cause ISIS and wouldn't/couldn't have stopped it.

It seems to me how significantly different this dreadful mess would be is severely in question. The forces tearing apart that region are enormous. Even, would Iraq still be a jihad-free stronghold under strong man Saddam Hussein and his secular government, or would his government have given way to something else by now?

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Brussels explosions: Many dead in airport and metro terror attacks [View all] MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Mar 2016 #1

My first thought - ISIS 840high Mar 2016 #3

So when the media starts saying ISIS every 20 seconds Dem2 Mar 2016 #53

Belgium today. 840high Mar 2016 #94

obviously or islamic militants of some group MariaThinks Mar 2016 #64

The BBC's security expert Frank Gardener was on the radio. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #30

Belgium also has some very strict laws on tracking these people 7962 Mar 2016 #38

More from BBC 6chars Mar 2016 #2

Two explosions centered at American Airlines check-in desk 6chars Mar 2016 #4

shit... video from skynews: dana_b Mar 2016 #5

BREAKING: Firefighters report 11 dead and 25 wounded in #Zaventem airport explosions MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Mar 2016 #7

Another casualty guess nitpicker Mar 2016 #18

The latest from BBC-the updating thread nitpicker Mar 2016 #8

France24 live stream MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #9

France 24 live blog link nitpicker Mar 2016 #10

I have a relative in Brussels bluestateguy Mar 2016 #11

I hope she's okay. romanic Mar 2016 #31

I have cousins in Brussels as well. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #54

The latest from the BBC. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #12

Explosion reported at metro stop near EU building (unconfirmed) MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #13

France 24 is reporting this rumor nitpicker Mar 2016 #15

Fox reporting 3 explosions at Metro and 2 at the airport (one was suicide bomber per fox) riversedge Mar 2016 #29

#BREAKING Blast on Brussels metro at Maalbeek station: train staff MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #14

BBC indicating smoke at the metro nitpicker Mar 2016 #16

When they arrested the Paris attacker a couple of days ago melman Mar 2016 #17

Pretty sure this was a 'now or never' action - Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #26

My guess is that after today, christx30 Mar 2016 #58

Could be: maybe Abdeslam was just trying to buy them time to put things in motion? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #59

You have to wonder what could be a "reduced charge" TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #74

Reporting explosions at a subway station in Brussels BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #19

Brussels Fire rep. tells NBC that there have been at least 4 explosions at different metro stations MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #20

Your live feed now says 13 dead, 35 injured and confirms attacks at other stations lebkuchen Mar 2016 #22

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #21

I wish Al Gore had become our president lebkuchen Mar 2016 #23

Yep...things probably would have been significantly different. Deuce Mar 2016 #27

Hmm... Arab Spring, religious wars, climate change, Hortensis Mar 2016 #36

I think Iraq may be the only thing you cite that may have remained the same 7962 Mar 2016 #37

Yes, I forgot those sons, just thinking of how Hortensis Mar 2016 #46

Wishing won't change the past melman Mar 2016 #32

Really? philosslayer Mar 2016 #69

No - the degenerates. Lucky Luciano Mar 2016 #70

So you can tell who is a degenerate and who is not? philosslayer Mar 2016 #81

"I wish there was a way to determine..." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Mar 2016 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Mar 2016 #24

Belgian public broadcaster VTM says there are reports of 10 dead in metro explosion in Brussels MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #25

Been flipping the cable news. Fox reporting 23 dead. Dozens hurt. Shots fired followed riversedge Mar 2016 #28

Fox is a "news" source? Dem2 Mar 2016 #51

Being handled as "coordinated suicide attack" per cnn riversedge Mar 2016 #33

#Breaking Belgium attacks' death toll reaches 33, 20 in metro blast, 13 in airport MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #34

34 now. Here's hoping it doesn't rise much more. 130 wounded. Yo_Mama Mar 2016 #57

Truly horrible LeftishBrit Mar 2016 #35

ISIS fighting alongside Saudi Arabia in Yemen Divernan Mar 2016 #39

The Brussells bombs were almost certainly hand-made TATP MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #41

Yes, I just edited/updated my post to reflect that these Divernan Mar 2016 #42

And the more terrorist attacks around the world, the richer the defense contractors get. dot-dot-dot valerief Mar 2016 #92

So sad. ucrdem Mar 2016 #40

I doubt it's a coincidence that American Airlines check in desk appears to have been first target mnhtnbb Mar 2016 #43

The AA counter melm00se Mar 2016 #66

Blind attacks. AngryAmish Mar 2016 #44

Metro station closest to European Commission Hdqtrs. & Council of European Union Divernan Mar 2016 #45

BBC: Maelbeek Metro station: 15 dead, 55 wounded. Divernan Mar 2016 #47

My parents lived in Brussels for years, it's a beautiful city. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #48

Read this article from the times after Paris. iandhr Mar 2016 #49

Somewhere in Rio, Glenn Greenwald is furiously stroking himself Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #50

Our safety Legends303 Mar 2016 #60

i wish people would stop Legends303 Mar 2016 #52

Islam? Elmergantry Mar 2016 #55

No, this one wasn't the Amish GummyBearz Mar 2016 #76

No doubt...nt Elmergantry Mar 2016 #91

It's not Islam. It's sectarian Sunni Islamic extremists Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #56

Which are of course an Islamist terrorist group, of which the Shi's have their own whatthehey Mar 2016 #61

The sunni terrorists leftynyc Mar 2016 #62

Ugh... was just there 3 months ago. MillennialDem Mar 2016 #63

My cousin lives and works in Brussels as an attorney. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #65

BELGIUM: Tihange nuclear power plant in the Belgian province of Liege has been evacuated: VTM MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #67

UPDATE: Evacuation is standard procedure after Terror threat rises to level 4 MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #75

Horrifying. and more terrifying Bayard Mar 2016 #68

Oh, for goodness' sakes TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #77

Yeah, Trump's behind it. That's the ticket. PeteSelman Mar 2016 #79

We have a conspiracy dungeon for stupid shit Codeine Mar 2016 #80

Bullshit. 840high Mar 2016 #95

You should make a youtube video about your theory. PersonNumber503602 Mar 2016 #97

I'm just saying, that's one of the first things that popped into my mind Bayard Mar 2016 #104

Thanx a lot w, Cheney, and so on you motherfuckers just had to go into Iraq and stir up ... Botany Mar 2016 #71

Now if they get back in power they will destablilize it even more. Don't believe Trump for a MillennialDem Mar 2016 #72

Trump or Clinton, either would jump into another hot war. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #78

Now if they get back in power they will destablilize it even more. Don't believe Trump for a MillennialDem Mar 2016 #72

Pretty sure Cheney didn't blow himself up in the middle of a crowded airport Democat Mar 2016 #83

ISIS people need to be held accountable but ..... Botany Mar 2016 #89

Belgian media circulating images of suspects in the #Zaventem airport attack MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #84

Suuuuure.. bdwker Mar 2016 #86

Idiotic comment MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #87

Too many extremists hurting people. K&R with tears uppityperson Mar 2016 #85

Islamic State claims responsibility MowCowWhoHow III Mar 2016 #88

What goes around TowneshipRebellion Mar 2016 #93

Yeah, those damn warmongering Belgium's....are u serious? EX500rider Mar 2016 #96

Deadly serious. TowneshipRebellion Mar 2016 #98

So "learning my history"... EX500rider Mar 2016 #100

The concept is treat people the way the you want to be treated. TowneshipRebellion Mar 2016 #101

"The concept is treat people the way the you want to be treated." EX500rider Mar 2016 #102

So? Are we going to be better than them or not? TowneshipRebellion Mar 2016 #103

If every country is on the hook for ALL past actions then there are only sinners, no saints. EX500rider Mar 2016 #105

"the guerrilla attacks"?! EX500rider Mar 2016 #108

Oh fuck you. Codeine Mar 2016 #109

I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE Skittles Mar 2016 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #99

So awful. It makes you think about how vulnerable our airports are before and around the anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #106

Terrible!!! Beacool Mar 2016 #107

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