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In reply to the discussion: Stand Your Ground? Texas man kills teacher over noise complaint [View all]
renate
(13,776 posts)119. I watched the video... it's not cut-and-dried to me
It looks like he was standing alone, 200 feet away (well, that's what he says, anyway), and then the three guys drive up to him. It's true that Rodriguez wasn't on his own property, and he certainly should have let the police handle the noise complaint, but if it really is correct that three guys drove up to him and one of them said (as appears on the tape) that he was going to go get something that Rodriguez couldn't handle, or whatever the exact words were, well, hmm. I'm not saying Rodriguez was right, not by any means, but the other three guys contributed to the situation's becoming escalated; it's not as though Rodriguez unilaterally started a life-or-death confrontation like Zimmerman did. 
I should add that I couldn't possibly be more anti-gun unless I were James Brady, and situations like this are one big reason why.
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Really? Please provide a link of a Gungeoneer who says that legal possession of a firearm
Common Sense Party
Jun 2012
#8
No, "in other words" I didn't have time. Which isn't really "other words," but hey
Scootaloo
Jun 2012
#188
I don't see that he "refuses" to admit it. His argument is that the vast majority
Common Sense Party
Jun 2012
#192
Not quite the same thing as "absolves him of all criminal liability," now is it?
Common Sense Party
Jun 2012
#32
Certainly there are millions who could qualify for a CHL but don't want one...
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#274
I know a lot too and yes they are Frightened and Paranoid, thats why they Pack everywhere.
bahrbearian
Jun 2012
#47
Do you wear a seat belt? If so, why? Are you frightened and paranoid?
Common Sense Party
Jun 2012
#59
Ya I wear a seat belt , because I'm Afraid some idiot will run into me,, I don't pack anymore
bahrbearian
Jun 2012
#73
but did you use your seatbelt because you're paranoid and frightened?
BlancheSplanchnik
Jun 2012
#105
I use it because I want to increase my chances of survival in the event of a violent collision
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#110
Maybe you "Think" your not Frighted or Paranoid but packing proves you wrong.
bahrbearian
Jun 2012
#68
The vast majority of permit holders are rural and suburban white males....
Moses2SandyKoufax
Jun 2012
#69
How would he know who were CCW unless they inform him and why should they inform him?
Tuesday Afternoon
Jun 2012
#163
Ya, it all makes perfect sense, When I speak to people while holding a gun on them
bahrbearian
Jun 2012
#33
Well, now that you actually have entered the Guns forum to defend this absurd
petronius
Jun 2012
#44
He went over to the other house with a gun and had set up a video-recording in advance?
4th law of robotics
Jun 2012
#3
SYG is the perfect law for bullies. They have to have an edge. Now they can pick a fight they might
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#4
Exactly. And I saw a gun shop owner on TV saying Rodriguez did everything right.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#22
OK, I need to shout this now: SHOOTER DID CALL THE POLICE "REPEATEDLY" before shooting
wordpix
Jun 2012
#267
How is he standing his ground in someone else's driveway. Its not just ...
marble falls
Jun 2012
#26
Yes, standing your ground means staying where you are instead of running away
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#53
You watch Cops too? You'd think they'd behave better in front of a TV camera.
Thegonagle
Jun 2012
#37
apparently you didn't read the article or see the video. The shooter DID call police several x from
wordpix
Jun 2012
#263
The video showed a man out in the street, angrily approaching his neighbor's house.
pacalo
Jun 2012
#280
They're all out shooting their neighbors and getting their rocks off over it. nt
valerief
Jun 2012
#52
Uh, why can't you have both? Does it always have to be poison in the veins? nt
valerief
Jun 2012
#234
This dumbass was the ONLY one out there with a gun, so why was he "scared" for his own life? nt
MrScorpio
Jun 2012
#80
Both parties were gun owners. The video at #83 provides the best evidence of their actions.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#135
I don't have to interpret the video. It is what it is. I just invited people to actually look at it
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#157
it doesn't take much imagination to know what's wrong with the poster you've addressed
frylock
Jun 2012
#137
Obviously what's wrong with me is that I don't engage in ad hominem attacks.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#142
"So far, being a rowdy drunk is still not a capital crime", Too bad because I'd like to see
bahrbearian
Jun 2012
#128
Anyone can look at the video at 1.30 and see that "those guys" WERE NOT "holding their hands
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#141
The victim was on his own property. The shooter had left his home to complain about NOISE.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#146
That's all the video shows you? It doesn't show you "those guys holding their hands up above their
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#156
I'm taking the side of an unarmed man on his own driveway who was shot by an angry, paranoid
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#159
If I am taking a side, I am taking the side of verifiable evidence instead of speculation.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#168
Golly, maybe the poster is taking the side of the person who isn't a murderous fuck
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2012
#198
So why would they leave their party and drive over to HIS house to confront HIM?
Blue_Tires
Jun 2012
#155
He is not "my boy Rodriguez." In modern America we don't use such phrases.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#161
He went onto someone else's property and precipitated an argument that escalated into a fight
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#102
I can't tell what's going on in the video, but I can't listen to the sound until I get home tonight
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#111
The video at #83 provides the best evidence. It doesn't show that "They were standing with their
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#139
No one else had a gun! Any paranoid person, like this shooter, can see a bulge and
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#147
If anyone wants to follow your link to see whether it does or does not establish that "No one else
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#164
you can see the lights of the house. it's far back from the filmer. you can see the filmer is
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#282
i agree he precipitated everything. but the video doesn't show him on their property, & it does
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#293
They're laughing because they were drunk and/or stupid. But they weren't paranoid
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#294
you seem to think you need to convince me of something i've already acknowledged. you don't.
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#296
I guess I don't know why it matters if the partygoers jumped him. It's still his fault, right?
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#297
did we watch the same video? yes, they were angry, cursing, & threatening. the guy started it,
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#298
laughing not in a fun way. i thought that both parties appeared threatening at different times,
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#300
"I'm not going to lose to these people anymore," he said -- laughter, and then the gun went off.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#301
Why should he have felt fearful? He didn't have to stand his ground. All he had to do
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#258
Actually, as verified by the link, he's claiming self-defense. Others who are opposed to him, but
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#165
You can't tell that from the video. My driveway is more than 300 feet long. And the testimony
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#144
Regardless of how long your driveway is, Danaher says at 1.52 that they are in the street
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#172
At 1.52 in the video, Danaher says that they are in the street and that he is going to return.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#170
If he setup a video then went armed with a gun it was premeditated murder. nt
cstanleytech
Jun 2012
#117
It's likely that he will be convicted. The MSM is reporting things which are at odds with the video
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#177
They voted him out of the union rather than guiding him to get treatment for a mental disorder?
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#218
Yes. I've seen a lot of people go untreated because friends and family got tired of their crap.
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#231
I am certain that if everyone involved was packing heat and using their 2nd ammendment rights (sic)
grantcart
Jun 2012
#210
I don't even have to watch the video to know this man should be publically hung.
Unite2DefeatGOP
Jun 2012
#279
I don't think "Stand Your Ground" works as a defense when your ground is the victim's driveway.
yellowcanine
Jun 2012
#302