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In reply to the discussion: High Court Rejects Appeal Over Ban on Guns at Post Offices [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)57. The Supreme Court just *unanimously* issued the following rejection of your thesis:
The disinterested reader will note that there were NO dissents- look up
the definition of 'per curiam'
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10078_aplc.pdf
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
JAIME CAETANO v. MASSACHUSETTS
ON PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE SUPREME
JUDICIAL COURT OF MASSACHUSETTS
No. 1410078. Decided March 21, 2016
PER CURIAM
.
The Court has held that the Second Amendment extends,
prima facie, to all instruments that constitute
bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at
the time of the founding,
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570, 582 (2008),
and that this Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States,
McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742, 750 (2010).
In this case, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts upheld a
Massachusetts law prohibiting the possession of stun guns after
examining whether a stun gun is the type of weapon
contemplated by Congress in 1789 as being protected by
the Second Amendment.
470 Mass. 774, 777, 26 N. E. 3d 688, 691 (2015).
The court offered three explanations to support its
holding that the Second Amendment does not extend to
stun guns. First, the court explained that stun guns are
not protected because they were not in common use at the
time of the Second Amendments enactment.
Id., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693.
This is inconsistent with Hellers clear statement
that the Second Amendment extends . . . to . . . arms . . . that were not in existence at the time of the founding.
554 U. S., at 582.
The court next asked whether stun guns are dangerous
per se at common law and unusual,
470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 694,
in an attempt to apply one important
limitation on the right to keep and carry arms,
Heller 554 U. S., at 627; see ibid. (referring to the historical
tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and
unusual weapons).
In so doing, the court concluded that stun guns are unusual
because they are a thoroughly modern invention.
470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693694.
By equating unusual with in common use at
the time of the Second Amendments enactment, the
courts second explanation is the same as the first; it is
inconsistent with Heller for the same reason.
Finally, the court used a contemporary lens and found
nothing in the record to suggest that [stun guns] are
readily adaptable to use in the military.
470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 694.
But Heller rejected the proposition that only those weapons useful in
warfare are protected.
554 U. S., at 624625.
For these three reasons, the explanation the Massachusetts court offered
for upholding the law contradicts this
Courts precedent. Consequently, the petition for a writ of
certiorari and the motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis
are granted. The judgment of the Supreme
Judicial Court of Massachusetts is vacated,
and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with
this opinion. It is so ordered.
JAIME CAETANO v. MASSACHUSETTS
ON PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE SUPREME
JUDICIAL COURT OF MASSACHUSETTS
No. 1410078. Decided March 21, 2016
PER CURIAM
.
The Court has held that the Second Amendment extends,
prima facie, to all instruments that constitute
bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at
the time of the founding,
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570, 582 (2008),
and that this Second Amendment right is fully applicable to the States,
McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742, 750 (2010).
In this case, the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts upheld a
Massachusetts law prohibiting the possession of stun guns after
examining whether a stun gun is the type of weapon
contemplated by Congress in 1789 as being protected by
the Second Amendment.
470 Mass. 774, 777, 26 N. E. 3d 688, 691 (2015).
The court offered three explanations to support its
holding that the Second Amendment does not extend to
stun guns. First, the court explained that stun guns are
not protected because they were not in common use at the
time of the Second Amendments enactment.
Id., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693.
This is inconsistent with Hellers clear statement
that the Second Amendment extends . . . to . . . arms . . . that were not in existence at the time of the founding.
554 U. S., at 582.
The court next asked whether stun guns are dangerous
per se at common law and unusual,
470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 694,
in an attempt to apply one important
limitation on the right to keep and carry arms,
Heller 554 U. S., at 627; see ibid. (referring to the historical
tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and
unusual weapons).
In so doing, the court concluded that stun guns are unusual
because they are a thoroughly modern invention.
470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 693694.
By equating unusual with in common use at
the time of the Second Amendments enactment, the
courts second explanation is the same as the first; it is
inconsistent with Heller for the same reason.
Finally, the court used a contemporary lens and found
nothing in the record to suggest that [stun guns] are
readily adaptable to use in the military.
470 Mass., at 781, 26 N. E. 3d, at 694.
But Heller rejected the proposition that only those weapons useful in
warfare are protected.
554 U. S., at 624625.
For these three reasons, the explanation the Massachusetts court offered
for upholding the law contradicts this
Courts precedent. Consequently, the petition for a writ of
certiorari and the motion for leave to proceed in forma pauperis
are granted. The judgment of the Supreme
Judicial Court of Massachusetts is vacated,
and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with
this opinion. It is so ordered.
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Plus the scale and lethality of the weapons have changed, and you can't keep willfully ignoring that
villager
Mar 2016
#22
Ah, the "Technology has rendered the Second Amendment obsolete" argument is made
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#27
The First Amendment has moved along with technology...why not the Second?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#51
The Supreme Court just *unanimously* issued the following rejection of your thesis:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#57
"(T)he current four that are not fascist assholes" AGREED with the other four
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#78
I hope you find all that moralizing and self-righteousness a soothing balm for your soul
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#91
Rightwing judges presume a lot -- as did the Supreme Court when Scalia was the 5th NRA vote.
villager
Mar 2016
#38
Do you really believe it's not going to wind up in court anyway after your NRA compadres
villager
Mar 2016
#47
A progressive liberal also believes that the Constitution is not immutable
William Seger
Mar 2016
#16
Exactly. That side will never commit to an unambiguous answer while *pretending* to be reasonable...
villager
Mar 2016
#24
How about an unambiguous answer from *you*- what's a "large capacity magazine"?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#26
'Forced justification' and 'Phelpsing', eh? Noted and figured out *long* ago:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#56
No deal, Elmer- it's not up to you, as much as that might chap your ass
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#66
Do you prefer the Logitech Illuminated or an IBM Model M clone for your gun-control needs?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#79
I don't own a gun, and haven't for years. Got any more erroneous assumptions for us?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#87
"(P)ass the laws you want"? "(G)et busy"? As if! That sort doesn't do real-world politics
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#69
An unearned and undeserved sense of superiority has long been associated with gun control advocates
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#80
And what are *you* doing in the real world to bring that about? My guess: Nothing,...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#67
Or anything substantial. BTW, you just used *another* fallacy seen prior to your DU stint:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#77
It's none of your business. You are attempting the "forced justification" technique:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#55
Not up to you, and you'll most likely never do anything in real life to make your dream reality
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#65
"That is why the whiny petulance of modern gun control advocates no longer.......
pablo_marmol
Mar 2016
#88
Back when they had political pull it carried a little. Not now, of course.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#90
Agreed. Given the fact that the tide is failing to turn they're just getting filthy. NT
pablo_marmol
Mar 2016
#94
Feh. We figured out posters like you *long* before you ever joined DU:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#54
Gonna stick with the Phelpsing and Fuddism? Fine- heckling from nonparticipating bystanders...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#68
Don't mealy-mouth it. Have the courage of your convictions and spit it out.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#76
I love the smell of undeserved and unearned self-righteousness in the morning
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#86
No different from heckling by a middle schooler- let them get it out of their system
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2016
#93
I don't know why the scared-of-their-own-shadows gun freaks are upset about this.
Aristus
Mar 2016
#5
could be that the cons on the Court want to wait until they get another majority
TheDormouse
Mar 2016
#28
I don't see the relevance of the parking lot part. So the gun owner parks across the street.
Brother_Love
Mar 2016
#30