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194. Who said anything about CCW?

Reply to Common Sense Party (Reply #192)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 04:17 AM

Jun 2012

It seems to be a reflexive, knee-jerk jump by people such as yourself, actually. I'm talking about people who legally own guns and commit crimes with them, and you immediately jump up with "B-b-but... CCW NUMBERS!!!!!" As if people with CCW permits are the only real gun owners? Only criminal acts perpetrated by CCW holders "count"?

So lot me get it through your head; CCW holders are a subset of gun owners. What their "record" is is not relevant to my point. They're saints? Okay, good for them, that still leaves plenty of other gun owners who are not CCW holders. Your attempts to deflect the argument to JUST CCW holders is disingenuous and ineffective.

My point remains, there is overlap between gun owners and gun criminals. And here you are trying to evade that point by cherry-picking just CCW holders. So soon after you admitted the point, too. Guess my criticism was pretty spot-on, huh? Just can't accept that not every commission of crime with a gun can be laid at the hands of some anonymous "thug" with an "illegal weapon" can you? And you were so close.

I frankly don't care if you support the second amendment or not. It's not my beef. I'm sure you're the vanguard of liberty, unlike those poor serfs in Canada laboring under the tyrannical and oppressive regime of gun-registering commies. Good for you. My beef is when you make no fucking sense whatsoever and try to tell me that only CCW holders "count" in gun crime statistics in relation to legal gun owners.

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videotaped himself.. frylock Jun 2012 #1

Absolutely- and the words he chose were very obvious Marrah_G Jun 2012 #223

What, don't YOU pack heat when you talk to your neighbors about something? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #2

Really? Please provide a link of a Gungeoneer who says that legal possession of a firearm Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #8

Read the fucking gungeon Scootaloo Jun 2012 #12

So, I take it you don't have a link? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #24

Trouble is, sifting through all of it would be like going through TV Tropes Scootaloo Jun 2012 #27

So in other words SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #166

No, "in other words" I didn't have time. Which isn't really "other words," but hey Scootaloo Jun 2012 #188

I don't see that he "refuses" to admit it. His argument is that the vast majority Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #192

Who said anything about CCW? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #194

Oh, Good God. You're hopeless. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #209

I recall several posts made by many of our pro-gun "progressives" Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #28

Not quite the same thing as "absolves him of all criminal liability," now is it? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #32

I doubt that. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #38

What do you know? How many CCW'ers do you know? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #40

I go by what I read on gun forums. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #45

Perhaps you should look at some real statistics. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #78

Who cares about facts and statistics? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #129

Having fewer murder convictions is OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #240

Here you are: GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #261

Hmmmm.... OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #265

More data: GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #270

So that's about 2%. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #272

Certainly there are millions who could qualify for a CHL but don't want one... GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #274

No, the debate is about what claims are made in the debate. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #276

I know a lot too and yes they are Frightened and Paranoid, thats why they Pack everywhere. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #47

I was wondering about that statement too........... Plucketeer Jun 2012 #55

Do you wear a seat belt? If so, why? Are you frightened and paranoid? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #59

Do you believe in Jesus? If so, DocMac Jun 2012 #70

Ya I wear a seat belt , because I'm Afraid some idiot will run into me,, I don't pack anymore bahrbearian Jun 2012 #73

So you ARE frightened and paranoid? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #87

Admit it So are You, bahrbearian Jun 2012 #93

No, I won't admit to something so blatantly untrue. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #127

seatbelt? because it's required by law. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #94

I've always used one since I was a kid, long before their use was required slackmaster Jun 2012 #95

but did you use your seatbelt because you're paranoid and frightened? BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #105

I use it because I want to increase my chances of survival in the event of a violent collision slackmaster Jun 2012 #110

Fail. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #122

Nothing to do with it actually being... oh... PavePusher Jun 2012 #286

This message was self-deleted by its author BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #101

"NONE"????? None of them are frightened, paranoid or angry?? loudsue Jun 2012 #57

That's correct. None. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #61

Maybe you "Think" your not Frighted or Paranoid but packing proves you wrong. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #68

The vast majority of permit holders are rural and suburban white males.... Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #69

So what are "They" afraid of? bahrbearian Jun 2012 #71

I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #74

We are , I thought you were someone else. I'll edit it. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #79

You have proof of that demographic? GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #88

As I said "the vast majority"... Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #90

And you are ignoring my proof that most are urban. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #109

whites are about 50% of tx population. interesting. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #281

heh heh.... glad others here are telling them what's up fascisthunter Jun 2012 #82

How would he know who were CCW unless they inform him and why should they inform him? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #163

More law abiding on average than what? OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #238

Ya, it all makes perfect sense, When I speak to people while holding a gun on them bahrbearian Jun 2012 #33

On average more law abiding doesn't mean universally law abiding 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #228

You live in Canada by any chance? ileus Jun 2012 #50

tis an ill wind blowing. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #66

Bingo. onehandle Jun 2012 #64

Got any evidence (like actual case studies of gun owners).... PavePusher Jun 2012 #287

you are reading through the veil of your own prejudice. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #114

Agree. patrice Jun 2012 #30

Well, now that you actually have entered the Guns forum to defend this absurd petronius Jun 2012 #44

I love the smell of pizza in the morning. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #54

Lt Kilgore... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #75

How? Nobody delivers before noon! nt DocMac Jun 2012 #76

its always five o'clock somewhere. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #112

Lol...how true. nt DocMac Jun 2012 #158

He went over to the other house with a gun and had set up a video-recording in advance? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #3

+1. He wasn't standing *his* own ground. He's going down for this. freshwest Jun 2012 #15

SYG is the perfect law for bullies. They have to have an edge. Now they can pick a fight they might rhett o rick Jun 2012 #4

That's been my issue from the start... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #138

Nope. That was NOT self-defense. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #5

+1 freshwest Jun 2012 #11

Premeditated mrder. H2O Man Jun 2012 #6

+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #9

Yep! And a sick attempt to cover for it, too. Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #86

To me, his videotaping shows the confrontation was premeditated obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #262

Exactly. H2O Man Jun 2012 #273

You got it obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #275

Hope he fries FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #7

By this reasoning I suppose sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #10

Exactly. And I saw a gun shop owner on TV saying Rodriguez did everything right. pnwmom Jun 2012 #22

it's comin' right for us! frylock Jun 2012 #132

But, But, he feared for his life. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #13

Pre-emptive war on the homefront? I can't believe he'll get away with this. freshwest Jun 2012 #17

Its the Bush Doctrine, its never been challenged. Look forward. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #19

Much older than Bush, go back a couple of centuries. Engrained response. freshwest Jun 2012 #21

The sad part is he'd probably have a whole lot of believers Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #140

Noise complaint? abelenkpe Jun 2012 #14

That's right! DocMac Jun 2012 #91

Damn straight sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #208

OK, I need to shout this now: SHOOTER DID CALL THE POLICE "REPEATEDLY" before shooting wordpix Jun 2012 #267

He probably should have consulted an attorney Turbineguy Jun 2012 #16

That's sick. He's a murderer. nt shcrane71 Jun 2012 #18

A person is dead because this man thought SYG gave him the right to kill. enough Jun 2012 #20

Beware of criticizing SYG laws. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #241

It's obvious, these SYG laws Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #23

No surprise there. Look at the people who enacted these laws Thegonagle Jun 2012 #36

Would a Soylent Green reference be too much? sakabatou Jun 2012 #193

Sounds like he planned to murder the guy to me. Solly Mack Jun 2012 #25

How is he standing his ground in someone else's driveway. Its not just ... marble falls Jun 2012 #26

Yes, standing your ground means staying where you are instead of running away slackmaster Jun 2012 #53

The whole thing looks like a half assed savalez Jun 2012 #72

I don't know about Texas Hells Liberal Jun 2012 #106

does this work for gas leafblowers too? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #29

Premediated murder Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #31

There will no doubt be plenty of gun fans rising to his defense. pnwmom Jun 2012 #34

He was the armed aggressor. He initiated the contact. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #81

I agree that this was murder. But I'm not a gun fanatic. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #115

good to know in case i decide to rob a liquor store frylock Jun 2012 #134

I am reminded of the brutal cops who robotically tblue37 Jun 2012 #35

You watch Cops too? You'd think they'd behave better in front of a TV camera. Thegonagle Jun 2012 #37

No--I have never seen that program. But I do often see cops doing that tblue37 Jun 2012 #58

This looks like premeditated murder to me slackmaster Jun 2012 #39

The shooter escalated the situation by rudely confronting his neighbors. pacalo Jun 2012 #41

apparently you didn't read the article or see the video. The shooter DID call police several x from wordpix Jun 2012 #263

The video showed a man out in the street, angrily approaching his neighbor's house. pacalo Jun 2012 #280

I wonder bongbong Jun 2012 #42

What is a "gun-religionist"? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #43

They're all out shooting their neighbors and getting their rocks off over it. nt valerief Jun 2012 #52

Who is? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #130

Read the thread. valerief Jun 2012 #235

I did. Who is? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #277

Who is what? valerief Jun 2012 #284

You are making accusations of murder and mental imbalance against DUers. PavePusher Jun 2012 #288

Apparently didn't choose the former. Robb Jun 2012 #295

Aw Geez meeksgeek Jun 2012 #46

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the shooter DID call the cops, several times wordpix Jun 2012 #264

Where did I lie? meeksgeek Jun 2012 #278

they're coming right at us! enki23 Jun 2012 #48

OMG, that asshole went over with his kill weapon just looking for trouble. valerief Jun 2012 #51

You know, the phrase "strung up by the neck" is much more commonly petronius Jun 2012 #62

Uh, why can't you have both? Does it always have to be poison in the veins? nt valerief Jun 2012 #234

Hanging has a long historical record... PavePusher Jun 2012 #289

Yes, I know - I was referring just the phrasing petronius Jun 2012 #292

Are you willing to pull the lever that drops him? oneshooter Jun 2012 #154

Sure. After his trial. nt valerief Jun 2012 #233

"First we're gonna give'im a fair trial... PavePusher Jun 2012 #290

Gun culture strikes again. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #56

Sounds like his video/audio will bite him on the ass. ileus Jun 2012 #60

Yep. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #65

I didn't take that away. I think the shooter was truly scared AND wordpix Jun 2012 #266

Watched the video. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #63

His video will likely be evidence at his murder trial. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #67

I miss the unrec button. L0oniX Jun 2012 #77

tough shit fascisthunter Jun 2012 #85

Ohhh you are scaring me now. L0oniX Jun 2012 #89

don't shoot fascisthunter Jun 2012 #92

Don't hit me you OG tattooed big bully. L0oniX Jun 2012 #96

hahaha.... well done! fascisthunter Jun 2012 #97

There's a little "x" at the end of the thread title Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #149

This dumbass was the ONLY one out there with a gun, so why was he "scared" for his own life? nt MrScorpio Jun 2012 #80

What are you going to believe, the headline or your lying eyes? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #83

"got shot after approaching Rodriguez in a menacing way" FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #107

Both parties were gun owners. The video at #83 provides the best evidence of their actions. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #135

please tell me you live in this neighborhood and can tell us about the Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #151

I don't have to interpret the video. It is what it is. I just invited people to actually look at it AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #157

And we looked. FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #173

Google is your friend. Photo of the layout. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #175

doesn't tell me much, but it's better than nothing, so thanks... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #180

Apartment complex. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #181

so where was the manager/landlord/super or whatever?? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #182

Those are good questions. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #183

I put my other findings in #179 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #184

This was a house on a 2 acre property, not an apartment. pnwmom Jun 2012 #248

What the heck is this? The only Kelly Danaher in Huffman, TX pnwmom Jun 2012 #239

What do you see in the video at the 54 second mark? N/T beevul Jun 2012 #197

at :54? I see truck headlights Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #201

What about the double yellow lines they're shining on... beevul Jun 2012 #202

ok....it's clear that they sort of came to him... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #205

I read 179. beevul Jun 2012 #206

Yes, the unedited video is important Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #207

Danaher's house was on a 2 acre property. But he didn't come out of the car, pnwmom Jun 2012 #250

it doesn't take much imagination to know what's wrong with the poster you've addressed frylock Jun 2012 #137

Obviously what's wrong with me is that I don't engage in ad hominem attacks. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #142

We've all seen the video OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #242

A menacing way dpibel Jun 2012 #120

"So far, being a rowdy drunk is still not a capital crime", Too bad because I'd like to see bahrbearian Jun 2012 #128

He's not in jail? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #143

You're eyes are doing a pretty good job lying to you. pnwmom Jun 2012 #123

Anyone can look at the video at 1.30 and see that "those guys" WERE NOT "holding their hands AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #141

The victim was on his own property. The shooter had left his home to complain about NOISE. pnwmom Jun 2012 #146

That's all the video shows you? It doesn't show you "those guys holding their hands up above their AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #156

I'm taking the side of an unarmed man on his own driveway who was shot by an angry, paranoid pnwmom Jun 2012 #159

What if... sarisataka Jun 2012 #167

Screw "what if". We should be more concerned with "what did". Heywood J Jun 2012 #195

I'd think they'd have been justified pnwmom Jun 2012 #211

Why would they be justified in attempting to disarm him sarisataka Jun 2012 #225

I said morally justified, not legally justified. I wouldn't have blamed them pnwmom Jun 2012 #226

There I can agree sarisataka Jun 2012 #227

Wait a minute OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #243

I am speaking of legalities sarisataka Jun 2012 #245

Their legal justification is clear: OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #249

You still miss the point sarisataka Jun 2012 #252

I don't miss the point. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #253

I think we reached middle ground here sarisataka Jun 2012 #255

Unfortunately, common sense is far too uncommon! OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #268

what if your aunt had nads? frylock Jun 2012 #212

If I am taking a side, I am taking the side of verifiable evidence instead of speculation. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #168

The video is only part of the evidence given in the courtroom, pnwmom Jun 2012 #213

You've said this twice now, and it's self-contradictory FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #174

"A handgun is for shooting your way to your rifle..." AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #178

So, Rodriguez was going for a rifle? boppers Jun 2012 #186

There is no doubt that the shooter was the ONLY one with a gun. pnwmom Jun 2012 #214

Golly, maybe the poster is taking the side of the person who isn't a murderous fuck DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #198

LOL. That about sums it up. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #215

You missed part of the video, obviously...or perhaps didn't see the same one. beevul Jun 2012 #196

Courtroom testimony was that he entered the driveway. However, pnwmom Jun 2012 #216

So why would they leave their party and drive over to HIS house to confront HIM? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #155

He is not "my boy Rodriguez." In modern America we don't use such phrases. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #161

OK; he's not "your boy"...Pardon the ebonics... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #179

More "verifiable evidence" for you in #185 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #204

The other attendees probably didn't have guns to drive home to get. pnwmom Jun 2012 #217

uh, yeah...he WAS killed over a noise complaint Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #145

I watched it- The man with the gun is at fault Marrah_G Jun 2012 #224

nobody saw this coming... especially gun nuts pushing for this madness fascisthunter Jun 2012 #84

hey it worked once... n/t neovente Jun 2012 #98

Not as clear cut as either side would like sarisataka Jun 2012 #99

He went onto someone else's property and precipitated an argument that escalated into a fight slackmaster Jun 2012 #102

Its not clear whos property hes on... beevul Jun 2012 #108

I can't tell what's going on in the video, but I can't listen to the sound until I get home tonight slackmaster Jun 2012 #111