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224. Let's be honest...

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:43 AM

Mar 2016

... if the results of this poll is near correct.

No matter who wins, in order to win the GE, some deals will have to be made.

Bernie has too many votes to ignore at this point. And while I prefer Bernie to Hillary, if he is the nominee, it would be more true that Hillary could not be denied.

And if a significant amount of either candidates' people "stay at home" or go "third party" it could well give us President Donald.

So, why is everyone yelling over what is going to have to happen?

I will say this to Hillary supporters -- as she is likely to be the nominee at this point just by the numbers -- they are not doing their candidate any favors by attacking Bernie and his supporters. I say that not because I support Bernie but because she is quickly approaching a level where she is almost without question the Democratic nominee and she is going to need "Bernie Bro.s" support in the GE or she is going home too.

And really President Trump -- do you want to say that for 4 years? And have listen to how we are going to be "winning" Presidential addresses when it is more likely we will be watching the last Presidential addresses like its a Charlie Sheen clone on crank giving them. Sorry, Charlie for all you foibles you do not deserve that -- at least you have the good sense not to run for President just because you have been on TV. Tiger blood!

As for the Democratic Party establishment, including HC and John Lewis, they do no credit to their credibility when they accuse Bernie of not being around for big and usually very progressive moments when he is standing in the pictures with them. They need to stop that as well -- for obvious reasons.

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Democrats Evenly Split Over Clinton, Sanders in Bloomberg Poll [View all] Bubzer Mar 2016 OP

You win the nomination by getting the most DELEGATES bravenak Mar 2016 #1

Sure, sure. She got stomped in utah and Idaho. And her take in Az is under investigation. Bubzer Mar 2016 #3

He got the brakes beat off in the ENTIRE SOUTH bravenak Mar 2016 #16

... Stomped. In UT. And ID. Hard. Into the ground. Bubzer Mar 2016 #20

You think the South don't matter in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY? bravenak Mar 2016 #23

She will never get the south in a GE... she will/is lose(ing) most blue states. Bubzer Mar 2016 #25

He won't either bravenak Mar 2016 #30

Thank you for admiting HRC is NOTHING but an ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE!!! Bubzer Mar 2016 #34

And I will be waiting for the establishment to say 'kick rocks and keep on kicking em" bravenak Mar 2016 #37

Which is hillarious... because she CANT WIN! Especially not without sanders supporters. Bubzer Mar 2016 #48

And he cannot win the nom without more than half of the black voters bravenak Mar 2016 #53

Oh will the hillaryity never cease... more of you... LOL. Bubzer Mar 2016 #83

Bye! See you when you come home to Hillary!! bravenak Mar 2016 #97

No...I wont be comming to heel. No matter how many times your candidate says it. Bubzer Mar 2016 #144

You say this like you need to convince people that you matter Cary Mar 2016 #226

Comming from a hillary supporter (you), that means almost nothing to me. Bubzer Mar 2016 #229

Of course you missed my point Cary Mar 2016 #233

You mean the point couched in ad hominem and concern trolling? Yeah... couldn't see it. Bubzer Mar 2016 #237

Just because your reality is harsh doesn't mean my willingness to state it is an ad hominem Cary Mar 2016 #238

More veiled ad hominem. This conversation's over and you're going onto ignore. Bubzer Mar 2016 #240

Wrong Cary Mar 2016 #241

But thanks for reinforcing my theory that: Cary Mar 2016 #242

Can you show polls that reflect that specifically? KPN Mar 2016 #84

Big time! Bubzer Mar 2016 #93

How do you know we won't do the same as his supporters have been threatening to do? bravenak Mar 2016 #94

You could be right ... we'll see ... KPN Mar 2016 #105

I've been voting straight ticket Democratic since 1974 - I will NEVER vote for another Clinton! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #102

Wholeheartedly agree! Bubzer Mar 2016 #111

It pissed me off no end that the media is making it seems like all Bernie supporters Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #114

You know, oddly enough, that's not the part that angers me. It's that people here are buying into it Bubzer Mar 2016 #122

Well, the Hillary people will buy into anything that helps their side - right or wrong. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #124

Yeah, it's been amazingly bad. On the positive side, DU's loss is JPR's gain. Bubzer Mar 2016 #147

Yup, which is how the Freeps Roll Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #254

YES! fierywoman Mar 2016 #207

That is an excellent, trenchant observation. "Don't piss Bernie or his followers off!" Akamai Mar 2016 #231

I Just Posted Some Information About Calls Made Into The Thom Hartmann ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #129

Just came from a Hillary meeting in Jamaica Queens NY redkwamya Mar 2016 #186

Do you really believe most black voters cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #230

As soon as I saw who had taken over this thread SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #243

Awww... but I will miss you SCantiGOP. Bubzer Mar 2016 #247

When they realize that math sharp_stick Mar 2016 #43

I cannot wait to be DEAF to this ridiculous nonsense. bravenak Mar 2016 #45

Why wait? You could start right now. In fact, I encourage it! Bubzer Mar 2016 #50

I will when this whole nonsense is put on mute bravenak Mar 2016 #54

The sniping and name-calling aside angrychair Mar 2016 #79

The NONSENSE of the South not mattering and her wins meaning nothing bravenak Mar 2016 #82

I agree bravenak angrychair Mar 2016 #120

I think we should all vote on the same day bravenak Mar 2016 #190

Then who would get millions of dollars angrychair Mar 2016 #225

Oh, but I think he already is! KPN Mar 2016 #87

Could be! Bubzer Mar 2016 #90

You'll be pretty damn speechless when Trump is elected. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #103

Hey! bravenak Mar 2016 #104

Yes it is! LOL!!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #108

I said it before. greymouse Mar 2016 #171

But Bernie does NOT HAVE the lead bravenak Mar 2016 #175

And you think the Dems will win Idaho and Utah in the general? spooky3 Mar 2016 #123

And for you too: Bubzer Mar 2016 #150

How amusing. Check out 538, which gives the clear edge to sanders spooky3 Mar 2016 #154

Hey, why don't you take your own advice eh? Cause umm...you're not right! Bubzer Mar 2016 #155

Aw, you really like non sequiturs. Why don't you spooky3 Mar 2016 #167

LOL...you're just gonna ignore the facts...typical hilly supporter...cant stand facts. Bubzer Mar 2016 #170

Here is a fact for you. leftofcool Mar 2016 #189

Idaho is on the brink of turning blue. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #199

Hillary won't campaign in the South if she captures the nomination. It'll be a boycott. imagine2015 Mar 2016 #136

Yes she will bravenak Mar 2016 #161

Bernie might, but HRC, not so much. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #245

Bernie already has cross over draw... she still has none. Bubzer Mar 2016 #250

And that's the thing the HRC boosters can't seem to grasp. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #251

But Utah and Idaho have? mcar Mar 2016 #76

You misunderstand...hilly should have won UT and ID...but she didn't. She got HAMMERED! Bubzer Mar 2016 #80

That's not what you said mcar Mar 2016 #88

Non sequiter... but please, keep trying! Every one of you hillarians are kicking my post! Bubzer Mar 2016 #91

A direct quote is not a non sequitur mcar Mar 2016 #95

So you're saying somone cannot add onto an argument? Bubzer Mar 2016 #107

Utah has a good chance of going blue in the general. greymouse Mar 2016 #174

Mormons have a long history of being persecuted. strategery blunder Mar 2016 #183

As if UT and ID are blue states! brer cat Mar 2016 #81

... Bubzer Mar 2016 #85

Or red states like Idaho, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Utah? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #125

Normally I'd agree that the blue states would vote blue regardless. However... Bubzer Mar 2016 #130

you're arguing that the South doesn't matter in the nomination CreekDog Mar 2016 #140

Oh look, another one. Here you go: Bubzer Mar 2016 #149

you spelled "missunderstand" wrong CreekDog Mar 2016 #156

Hey, look at that! You get to be right about something... I did indeed misspell a word. Bubzer Mar 2016 #158

Yeah! To hell with democracy! Hurray for dienfranchisement! kjones Mar 2016 #212

they do'nt count YET!! MasonDreams Mar 2016 #196

They already got COUNTED!!! bravenak Mar 2016 #197

Super delegates do not even vote for a candidate until the convention MasonDreams Mar 2016 #202

I know THAT bravenak Mar 2016 #204

the Times they are a changin' MasonDreams Mar 2016 #208

More of 'the people' voted for Hillary bravenak Mar 2016 #209

He lost the south due to deep-seated past memories of a Clinton past mdbl Mar 2016 #215

Good grief! They like her better, so what? bravenak Mar 2016 #220

and they don't know why mdbl Mar 2016 #252

Wrong but thanks for playing Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #22

AZ is under investigation. Does that bother you? It should. Bubzer Mar 2016 #27

The state of Arizona not Hillary Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #33

" that should affect all candidates equally" LOL...no... not even close. Nice try though! Bubzer Mar 2016 #36

Explain how it gives her an advantage Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #38

You're mistaken if you think I care if you're convinced. Bubzer Mar 2016 #51

You must care Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #55

Awww. Well shucks. Guess I'l just have to live without being pestered by another HRC fan... Bubzer Mar 2016 #117

Let me try to explain. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #106

Is it warm in that fantasyland of yours? n/t sharp_stick Mar 2016 #44

Ya know, I'd stab myself with a... sharp stick... before I'd "come to heel" for her. Bubzer Mar 2016 #151

You lack objectivity. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #221

I love when you hilly supporters post crap like this. Bubzer Mar 2016 #222

Agreed katmille Mar 2016 #148

AZ will not change. fun n serious Mar 2016 #47

Don't remember 2008? Bubzer Mar 2016 #127

Do you know how much he reduced her lead by in those two elections? pnwmom Mar 2016 #121

And I would be VERY surprised if she lost the two biggest spooky3 Mar 2016 #126

After almost 15 million people have voted, Clinton has a popular vote lead of 2.7 million. George II Mar 2016 #169

So far. If she does ... KPN Mar 2016 #78

And she has built and stronger more diverse coalition bravenak Mar 2016 #86

"And she has built and stronger more diverse coalition"... of corporations and dirty money. Bubzer Mar 2016 #96

Black and minority and women voters are not 'corporations and dirty money' bravenak Mar 2016 #100

It doesn't matter how you deflect. She will NEVER escape all the dirty money... Bubzer Mar 2016 #109

I'm bored with the superpredator stuff bravenak Mar 2016 #162

True. KPN Mar 2016 #99

We are real democrats who want to improve the party bravenak Mar 2016 #101

LOL Bubzer Mar 2016 #153

You like that? bravenak Mar 2016 #163

Naw, that's okay. I'll leave the smears and hatred to you. Bubzer Mar 2016 #166

Sorry, I thought you preferred Jill Stein? Paulie Mar 2016 #176

I said if she were a DEMOCRAT bravenak Mar 2016 #177

As I remember it was because she couldn't win. Paulie Mar 2016 #178

That too bravenak Mar 2016 #181

Moving fiscally to the right only helps wealthy Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #253

Agreed: and Sanders has never been vetted: he has been let off because he is not lewebley3 Mar 2016 #115

Yep. It is a waste of time and resources bravenak Mar 2016 #118

HILLARY CLINTON sublimecabbie Mar 2016 #135

Don't care bravenak Mar 2016 #164

I thought you didn't like Hillary? progressoid Mar 2016 #146

Like, shcmike bravenak Mar 2016 #159

not emotionally involved? progressoid Mar 2016 #172

I only love Obama bravenak Mar 2016 #173

You know there are other emotions other than love, right? progressoid Mar 2016 #187

Is that a serious question? SMH bravenak Mar 2016 #188

It's rhetorical. progressoid Mar 2016 #193

Meh. They are both boring bravenak Mar 2016 #194

Don't you have some other "Jews" to be antisemitic to, Bravenak? w4rma Mar 2016 #185

The fact that the preference is basically 50/50... thesquanderer Mar 2016 #191

I think it is that the sampling is not that great bravenak Mar 2016 #192

True, there's an option (d), the poll methodology sucks. ;-) (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #195

re: "We do it by delegates." thesquanderer Mar 2016 #219

Bubzer, as Senator Sanders has said, saidsimplesimon Mar 2016 #2

We still have about half of the delegates up for grabs. Bubzer Mar 2016 #5

44% of the delegates remain LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #12

And Sanders needs 60+% of those Gman Mar 2016 #21

58% actually. Easily achievable... Bubzer Mar 2016 #31

You do realize that the pro Hillary states have more delegates, right? bravenak Mar 2016 #46

"STATES SHE IS GOING TO WIN" Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you'll be able to sleep at night. Bubzer Mar 2016 #56

Hee hee! I sleep great. bravenak Mar 2016 #57

Like how she kept us safe from the Iraq war? Yeah, good luck with that. Bubzer Mar 2016 #70

How was that all on her? bravenak Mar 2016 #73

She ain't winning Ca Politicalboi Mar 2016 #69

You guys said that about AZ bravenak Mar 2016 #71

Hillary got 12.5% of registered voters in SC MasonDreams Mar 2016 #200

Has nothing to do with winning this primary that only a certain amount voted bravenak Mar 2016 #201

But are they voting against repubs and MasonDreams Mar 2016 #206

You have no clue what 'they' are voting because of bravenak Mar 2016 #210

Bernie should win NY and will definately win CA BIG! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #110

Unlikely bravenak Mar 2016 #113

67% of New Yorkers re-elected Hillary Senator. She's very well liked in NY, pnwmom Mar 2016 #157

You, are operating with old data, You will ver VERY surpriesd! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #182

Some new data from last week's Emerson poll puts her way ahead. pnwmom Mar 2016 #236

OK - anywho - It will be fun for all watching the rest of the primaries. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #239

But she was running against a republican. This time she's running against a true progressive. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #223

That's about half. Regardless, it's still more than enough to beat hilly. Bubzer Mar 2016 #28

His numbers dropped 15% from last month fun n serious Mar 2016 #49

against Ms. Inevitable? LiberalElite Mar 2016 #217

I'm not being rude to you so please fun n serious Mar 2016 #255

That hasn't translated into delegates and frankly, it's too little too late liberal N proud Mar 2016 #4

Maybe you missed hilly getting stomped into the ground in UT and ID? Good times. Bubzer Mar 2016 #6

And you have not done the math liberal N proud Mar 2016 #17

Maybe, but even so I feel a lot more genuine supporting Sanders, because he PatrickforO Mar 2016 #24

I think the revolution is already underway. nt Duval Mar 2016 #72

This genie can't be put back into the bottle. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #137

Go Bernie! Rebkeh Mar 2016 #7

Heck yeah! Bubzer Mar 2016 #8

Hmm. Since many Sanders supporters are 'under the radar' of these polls, especially PatrickforO Mar 2016 #9

I've got my write-in pen ready Plucketeer Mar 2016 #10

Here here!!! Bubzer Mar 2016 #11

I will do the same, if it comes to that. sammythecat Mar 2016 #32

Me too DebbieCDC Mar 2016 #132

me too. ready and willing. desmiller Mar 2016 #134

k&r rhett o rick Mar 2016 #13

This isn't even close to the actual headline you linked. sufrommich Mar 2016 #14

Touche'. Posted the wrong title from a related link. Credit where credit is due. Nice catch. Bubzer Mar 2016 #41

. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #15

It's thoughtful and meaningful contributions like this that boggle the mind. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #235

Sanders has been ignored, ridiculed, or smeared deutsey Mar 2016 #18

He was supposed to be dismissed as a grumpy racist by June of LAST YEAR! arcane1 Mar 2016 #52

You forgot "gun humper". n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #138

that's the whole point--Bernie's message is so powerful TheDormouse Mar 2016 #58

predictwise... artyteacher Mar 2016 #19

Don't care. Still gets my vote. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #62

That helps explain the flurry of Blue Nation Review propaganda posts... nt revbones Mar 2016 #26

Every minute, more and more are Feel'n the Bern! SoapBox Mar 2016 #29

What no voter suppression in the polling FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #35

Wish she hadn't zentrum Mar 2016 #39

knr snagglepuss Mar 2016 #40

Odd how Hillary has a million more votes. onehandle Mar 2016 #42

More like 2.7 more votes :) lunamagica Mar 2016 #119

Lets see, latest Pennsylvania poll, Hillary 53, Bernie 28. still_one Mar 2016 #59

And people have known Hillary for 25 years zalinda Mar 2016 #66

I don't care for polls period. Just get out and vote, and everything else is moot still_one Mar 2016 #74

I'm a YUUUGE Sanders fan but a sample size of 311 is rather small Roland99 Mar 2016 #60

And Sanders has not dropped out yet? ejbr Mar 2016 #61

She leads by 18 points of all votes cast so far. Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #63

Thanks for giving us president trump, Hillary acolyte. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #65

And here I thought the contest would be over by Super Tuesday. What happened? thereismore Mar 2016 #112

Sanders can win! paulthompson Mar 2016 #64

I'm only certain of one thing this election season. Beacool Mar 2016 #67

funny thing, if u read the associated questions ... TheDormouse Mar 2016 #68

Looks like more of a Head vs. Heart poll. And, strangely, that's the libdem4life Mar 2016 #139

an interpretation is that presidents usually don't fight for the middle-class or TheDormouse Mar 2016 #152

That's incredibly cynical. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #205

I sure don't noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #179

Mine, too. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #180

A funny thing happened LiberalElite Mar 2016 #75

So nationally he is ahead. It figures. I suspected it was voter suppression all along Zira Mar 2016 #77

SC turnout was 12%. That vote should not even count. nt thereismore Mar 2016 #116

WTF? Metric System Mar 2016 #160

See? Those votes do not count bravenak Mar 2016 #165

Unreal but unsurprising. Metric System Mar 2016 #168

Check with a fork cosmicone Mar 2016 #89

I don't think the polls are even. Not in any other one I've seen yet this one is even bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #92

LOLOLOLOL Loki Mar 2016 #98

Only ~ 300 Democrats were included in this poll, spooky3 Mar 2016 #128

While this is interesting and encouraging if your're on the left, its meaningless. apnu Mar 2016 #131

So true.... AuntPatsy Mar 2016 #133

agreed rtracey Mar 2016 #143

well rtracey Mar 2016 #141

K&R for visibility Babel_17 Mar 2016 #142

Independents Favor Sanders billhicks76 Mar 2016 #145

It's always been a race against time. Ash_F Mar 2016 #184

That's because we don't trust her. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #198

Ding ding ding!!! Bubzer Mar 2016 #218

That's quite a improvent from only 4% a month or so ago. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #203

And, with a media black out on him Zira Mar 2016 #211

this is more for the rest ahem 50 % of the country that hasn't voted yet.. PatrynXX Mar 2016 #213

The California primary had been in June for at least 40 plus years dlwickham Mar 2016 #214

okay whatever PatrynXX Mar 2016 #249

Evenly split, when you consider full court effort to eliminate Sander's on MSM, and election fraud.. MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #216

Let's be honest... c-ville rook Mar 2016 #224

That's a pretty wide margin of error.... blackspade Mar 2016 #227

Here are the numbers that matter, from the polls that matter - VOTES: George II Mar 2016 #228

the last rtracey Mar 2016 #232

Plus, Clinton has ZERO support outside the Democratic Party NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #234

wise people are waking up and 3rdwayers are being outed as the rightwing-lite stupidicus Mar 2016 #244

Interesting numbers considering a year ago Bernie wasn't even on the radar screen. jalan48 Mar 2016 #246

Never another Clinton Madmiddle Mar 2016 #248