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happyslug

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59. In the 1700s many families used baptism date not birth date.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

Thus he was born on December 11, 1725. Given Christmas was just 14 days later, his parents may have weighted till Christmas to baptist him.

Remember the only record of his birth would have been in the family bible and in local church records. Virginia's establised church was the Church of England, thus all birth records were maintained by that church not the colonial givernment. Other religions existed in Virginia, and kept such records of their members.

On the hand even after Virginia dis-established the Church of England in the 1790s, the government of Virginia did not keep records of birth and dearhs. Such records were not generally kept by the states till the mid 1800s, and then at the county level (even today many African-Americans do not have records of they birth in any state record).

State level records of birth and deaths generally were not adopted till after 1900. When Social Security was adopted in the 1930s, this lack of records of birth was acknowledged by Social Security by saying you could use records of baptism and even family bibles as proof as to your date of birth. Such records were still being accepted by Social Security as late as the 1980s (Social Security may still be accepting those records, but given illegal immigration regulations I have not heard of them since the 1980s but given the problems some elderly African-Americans have had using such records I suspect the rules have changed).

Thus when Britain adopted the Gregorian calender his birth date moved to December 22, 1725, but if he was baptised on Christmas day 1725, Julian calender, that became January 5, 1726 Gregorian calendar. Even in England today some towns hold events on "Old Christmas Day" so the change over was not total, many older dates were kept for long periods of time after the switchover.

Thus the two different years may reflect the actual records of his birth, but the only record may be the date of baptism not of birth.

Incredible!!! Well, it is a private school. n/t Herman4747 Mar 2016 #1
No, it is a State School. BTW, Bork taught there too after the Democrats FSogol Mar 2016 #2
This is a good illustration of the POWER of money. newthinking Mar 2016 #36
If a state school, does the state government need to approve? Justice Apr 2016 #63
Doubtful. The school would have a board. The State legistlaure could get involved, FSogol Apr 2016 #65
From the WaPo article: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #69
Puke FSogol Mar 2016 #3
Double that puke for me! FarPoint Mar 2016 #13
There's no precedent for this! Just like most of his rulings! Human101948 Mar 2016 #22
I sure wouldn't want that name on my J.D. diploma. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #4
No joke. Might as well have a diploma form Liberty University Law School. Hoyt Mar 2016 #6
Me neither 47of74 Mar 2016 #16
Which one? I went to law school in Minnesota The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #20
Mitchell-Hamline 47of74 Mar 2016 #28
My alma mater. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #31
Cool 47of74 Mar 2016 #32
It's changed a lot since I graduated, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #34
That makes me sick. 47of74 Mar 2016 #5
It would not bother most students anigbrowl Mar 2016 #47
+1 nitpicker Apr 2016 #50
Great! Now racists and Neanderthals will have a place to go! n/t RussBLib Mar 2016 #7
Stop it! nichomachus Mar 2016 #9
Hey! Don't lump Neanderthals with racists! We're not the least bit racist. In fact, we even bred valerief Mar 2016 #23
Great - that'll pair nicely with the George Bush Center for Intelligence LynneSin Mar 2016 #8
God. 47of74 Mar 2016 #26
I wonder if people will be able to get their money back nt nichomachus Mar 2016 #10
I'm still fuming over their naming the airport after Reagan. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #11
I know a number of air traffic controllers who won't refer to DCA The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #21
+1! BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #35
Yeah, George Washington wasn't great enough tabasco Mar 2016 #37
I hear ya. I refer to it as National as well. Friends who are commercial airline pilots LuckyLib Mar 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Mar 2016 #12
The law school has always skewed to the right. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2016 #14
That makes it all the more disgusting treestar Mar 2016 #42
In the 1700s many families used baptism date not birth date. happyslug Apr 2016 #59
What a great explanation. Thank you so much for that. NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #60
This is Wrong erpowers Mar 2016 #15
Or the corporatization of higher ed... 47of74 Mar 2016 #24
That would knock out Leland Stanford Junior University (the official name), more commonly 24601 Apr 2016 #49
A Little Different erpowers Apr 2016 #58
Thanks for the reminder. He's still dead. Gregorian Mar 2016 #17
Those kinds of donations talk. I'm sure if the LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #18
They should have re-named it the................................... turbinetree Mar 2016 #19
They live in an alternative universe houston16revival Mar 2016 #25
Rigor mortis hadn't even set in.... 47of74 Mar 2016 #30
I may stop including George Mason SheilaT Mar 2016 #27
The right marches onward, chapdrum Mar 2016 #29
It's a winger law school IIRC (nt) DebbieCDC Mar 2016 #33
Public dbackjon Mar 2016 #39
So it is ASS Law? Appropriate dbackjon Mar 2016 #38
ROFLMAO! Great observation Gungnir Mar 2016 #40
sigh-- GMU is my undergrad alma mater.... mike_c Mar 2016 #41
George Mason opposed the ratification of the US Constitution The Second Stone Mar 2016 #43
Thank you! Good info! Zira Mar 2016 #46
He opposed ratification for a good reason. See post #14. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #54
Eeeww. Zira Mar 2016 #45
Considering that George Mason was pretty much the founder of The Bill of Rights, 1monster Mar 2016 #48
That's like 10 big giants coming up and all taking a massive shit on the school davidpdx Apr 2016 #51
Mason is a bastion of conservatism underpants Apr 2016 #52
George Mason: bemildred Apr 2016 #53
At first I thought this was an April Fool's Day joke... CTyankee Apr 2016 #55
My first thought too MrsMatt Apr 2016 #56
Oh, god, that's funny! I laughed out loud at that one... CTyankee Apr 2016 #57
Hooray, ASSoLs! Please please PLEASE be true! sofa king Apr 2016 #61
Comment to the WaPo article: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #62
Is this an April Fool's joke? Coventina Apr 2016 #64
I will call it - the law school formerly known as George Mason. Justice Apr 2016 #66
Will they now teach a class in how to manipulate the law to benefit your friends? olddad56 Apr 2016 #67
Ironically, this contradicts the written intent of the founders. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #68
It will be right next to the Pol Pot School of Urban Planning yurbud Apr 2016 #70
Charles Koch gave nearly $48 million to George Mason University mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #71
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