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115. Let me ask you a serious question.

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:25 AM

Jun 2012

I have noticed that you comment a lot here, but you appear to have absolutely no knowledge about the topics you choose to comment on.

This comment you just made eg. Saddam Hussein never had any opposition, no international monitoring, he received always, 99% of the vote. He was a dictator, he was OUR dictator so we let him do as he pleased. Reagan eg, vetoed a bill by Congress that refused to send dual purpose chemicals to Saddam Hussein, the vote was unanimous. But Reagan over ruled the Senate and sent them to him anyhow. Reagan also sent him lots of gifts, money, and support. We didn't care about his elections.

Now explain to me what you know about Venezuela's elections, with facts, links etc. and how these two situations even remotely resemble each other.

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Chavez foe leads massive march in Venezuela [View all] jade3000 Jun 2012 OP

The rumor is that Chavez is on strong opiates to control bone pain. MADem Jun 2012 #1

Eh, you have to admit though the deathwatch isn't nearly as interesting as the electoral stuff. joshcryer Jun 2012 #3

Screenshot: joshcryer Jun 2012 #2

Beautiful. At least the people, I hope unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #4

LOL, welcome to DU. And, uh, nah, he'll keep the power. joshcryer Jun 2012 #6

You mean the dictator who is running for re-election? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #11

LOL pmorlan1 Jun 2012 #131

It's nice that we wear our post count on our sleeves. Gregorian Jun 2012 #17

Get a fucking clue. (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #23

dictators typically allow the opposition to hold large public demonstrations, don't they? frylock Jun 2012 #46

Try that in North Korea, China, Syria, Iran, kemah Jun 2012 #121

"Dictator"... You keep using that word tkmorris Jun 2012 #60

so Chavez didn't win internationally monitored elections? yurbud Jun 2012 #96

So did Saddam Hussein. boppers Jun 2012 #101

so you pretty much have no idea what you're talking about. yurbud Jun 2012 #112

Let me ask you a serious question. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #115

Here's the choices: boppers Jun 2012 #135

I could not agree more!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2012 #122

Fascist blackshirts. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #5

Why? Because they're against media censorship, unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #7

Lmao -- yes, thousands of people in the street EFerrari Jun 2012 #32

When you aren't allowed to run a TV station, or a newspaper, you have to take to the streets. boppers Jun 2012 #63

"That's kind of how it works." unkachuck Jun 2012 #66

It doesn't work like that in NYC, as we have seen lately EFerrari Jun 2012 #68

If you can control the media, *and* the streets, you have succeeded in gaining total control. boppers Jun 2012 #79

Really, this is now just embarrassing. EFerrari Jun 2012 #89

"brutal coupsters in Honduras" boppers Jun 2012 #98

There are DU'ers who post here who live there NOW, who most clearly don't agree with you. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #91

Interesting link. boppers Jun 2012 #94

Oh, baloney. If one of our tv outlets staged a coup in their studios EFerrari Jun 2012 #67

Well, a fake "coup" might trigger a congressional investigation. boppers Jun 2012 #77

Red herring. RCTV wasn't shut down even after they facilitated the coup. EFerrari Jun 2012 #85

Oh, so they were allowed to continue broadcasting then? boppers Jun 2012 #86

boppers, they broadcast for five more years, lol, until their license expired. EFerrari Jun 2012 #90

So, they got shut down. boppers Jun 2012 #92

Coup Co-Conspirators as Free-Speech Martyrs EFerrari Jun 2012 #93

If you do not support speech which seeks to undermine your government, you are a tyrant. boppers Jun 2012 #95

Love the last paragraph from this journalists' organization: Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #97

"allowed to broadcast" boppers Jun 2012 #99

Venevisi�n hosted the coupsters! They still have their license! joshcryer Jun 2012 #87

You owe it to yourself to keep up on this information by doing your own reading. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #69

Show me where any TV station could broadcast anything they wanted, and not carry official programs. boppers Jun 2012 #75

No, get off your ass and do your own work. I'll wait. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #78

Alo Presidente! boppers Jun 2012 #80

Show me a station in the US that hosts anyone who led or participated in an attempt to take down sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #114

No. We would also let them off in the name of unity. ieoeja Jun 2012 #127

Yes, we let powerful people off. Reagan was a President, Nixon was a president. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #140

Chavez participated in a coup, so obviously he is a traitor too correct? Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #128

Our Founding Fathers engaged in a coup. Sometimes a revolution is justified. Sometimes it is not. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #133

G Gordon Liddy gets air time all the time. boppers Jun 2012 #134

None of them was involved in a coup against a sitting president, were they? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #139

Venevision engineered the coup, they hosted the coupsters, they had them denouncing... joshcryer Jun 2012 #149

Lol, I think you better look into the background of this guy. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #125

Yes, we know, Capriles is a "fag", a zionist, a fascist, etc. ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #145

Not a fan of Capriles I see. joshcryer Jun 2012 #8

LOL... you're kidding ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #12

Don't trouble the Saint Hugo Fan Club with facts - it just makes them cranky. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #15

"the first people in the world with Haiti to rise up against imperialism" boppers Jun 2012 #64

It sure does... but I don't see that date the way you see it. ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #147

When would you date them becoming an "imperialist power"? boppers Jun 2012 #150

All of them? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #28

When you repeat corporatist talking points, then... bitchkitty Jun 2012 #137

What do you mean? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #138

Beautiful picture of brave men and women standing up to tyranny. May their cause triumph. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #9

They're going to "stand up to tyranny" by voting. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #13

Yes, they are - if Chavez allows a fair vote. Every election to date he's been in he's stolen votes, apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #16

The people who actually monitored elections there don't agree with you. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #18

Oh yes they do - and you well know it. But nice try. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #19

You provide no evidence. And I don't know who "Hannah" is. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #21

Evidence was provided at your OWN LINK - which you apparently failed to examine before posting. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #70

And BTW, Hannah, welcome back. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #20

I guess that craptastic post was enough to shame even you. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #41

Well, wrong again Hannah. But it's nice to see you back on the site, even if you are predictably a apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #73

Come back when you grow up. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #107

Nor do the people at the National Lawyers Guild Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #22

Now, I do think Chavez was legitimatley elected and reelected, naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #29

Now you've done it. pa28 Jun 2012 #25

Don't worry, facts never interfere with a good Venezuela hate fest! sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #49

Venezuela's elections are the cleanest in the hemisphere. It's the pre-vote purges that... joshcryer Jun 2012 #84

The elections in Venezuela are Transparent, Verifiable, and monitored by Internatioonal agencies, bvar22 Jun 2012 #39

The elections in Venezuela have been stolen since Chavz first "won" - this is proven fact, period. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #103

There are excellent sources already linked at D.U. regarding statements by international monitors, Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #108

The elections in Venezuela have been stolen since Chavz first "won" - this is proven fact, period. bvar22 Jun 2012 #126

yet somehow you can't even manage to pull a link outta your ass to prove your assertions.. frylock Jun 2012 #129

?? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #48

Once the names are on the ballots, the elections have been fair by all accounts I've read. boppers Jun 2012 #65

They must be brave because tyrants smash the opposition with tanks and guns. pa28 Jun 2012 #27

Is that the new definition of tyrant? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #30

Calling Chavez a dictator and tyrant is an extraordinary claim. pa28 Jun 2012 #43

yes I agree naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #45

If he'd been a tyrant, he would have zapped them when they started violent protests, Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #35

A 100 18 year olds were going to kill Chavez? ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #47

Whoever said the paramilitaries were 18 years old? Some of them were former Colombian soldiers. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #62

Right, there were like 2 or 3 adults with them... LOL. Why were they sent back to their homes... ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #146

Yes, given the Tasc�n List it is very brave of these people to show support for Capriles. joshcryer Jun 2012 #82

It will. joshcryer Jun 2012 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #132

I see the Regime Change Booster Club is in session today. leveymg Jun 2012 #10

Caracus?! We surely can trust your opinion on Vunuzuela, right? ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #14

shriners? Triloon Jun 2012 #24

For a good time see a pro-Chavez demonstration. It'll make your day. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #26

How do you know its a good time? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #31

Do you have anything to add to this thread EFerrari Jun 2012 #33

yes naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #37

Really? You're challenging her assertion that it was "a good time?" Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #40

If you read the thread naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #42

I don't understand why people think that is an argument for anything. EFerrari Jun 2012 #58

It's an argument that direct personal experience may be better qualified and more insightful Zorro Jun 2012 #59

You mean like the OP. But I thought you didn't have to be there to sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #142

So, naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #120

No, I didn't say that travel isn't educative. EFerrari Jun 2012 #123

Perhaps, naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #124

You're confusing History with current affairs ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #143

Not really. I'm in San Jose and keep up with Cairo very nicely EFerrari Jun 2012 #148

Shhhh, you're ruining the thread, Judy Lynn! Lol! sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #51

They loved things just as they were when Vene. Pres. Carlos Andres Perez ordered his military, Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #76

So much ignorance of the history of South America in this country and of the role of the US in sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #100

Chavez already went to prison once for a murderous conspiracy. boppers Jun 2012 #104

Well then I guess you don't support the Founding Fathers of this country either. They would have sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #116

The US founding fathers tried a military coup? boppers Jun 2012 #136

That's not the way the Venezuelan people viewed that coup attempt. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #151

I'm glad they all have only one opinion, that makes things easier. boppers Jun 2012 #152

Uniformed followers freak me the fuck out. boppers Jun 2012 #102

Oh, yeah. For sure. They're just the worst. Go, Chiefs! Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #110

Good for Chavez for allowing that. If it were to happen here in the land of the free sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #50

Don't forget those dandy wooden dowels they sometimes like to use on U.S. citizens. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #83

The cops tend to crack down on anti-political movement here. joshcryer Jun 2012 #88

I always thought it was a little creepy that people register here EFerrari Jun 2012 #34

Its to keep themselves occupied dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #36

Who has registered here to bash chavez? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #38

Actually, I was flashing on the last referendum EFerrari Jun 2012 #55

Thanks naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #118

Oh, good catch! Odin2005 Jun 2012 #44

True, but as you say, to each their own. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #52

You want to support the view that anyone disagreeing with Chavez is a fascist and a tool of imperial ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #53

He won't naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #54

That's "she". EFerrari Jun 2012 #57

I apologize naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #119

Chavez is pretty popular in Venezuela. I don't see him being ousted. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #56

Losing an election isn't being "ousted". boppers Jun 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author AJTheMan Jun 2012 #74

This kind of stuff always happens under dictatorships. nt killbotfactory Jun 2012 #61

:) EFerrari Jun 2012 #71

China, Egypt, Syria, United States..... boppers Jun 2012 #105

And the difference is... killbotfactory Jun 2012 #106

If I was to concoct a subject state... boppers Jun 2012 #109

Marcos, the Shah of Iran and we never learn PossumSqueezins Jun 2012 #111

Thank you, and welcome to DU. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #113

I applaud you pmorlan1 Jun 2012 #141

Yes -welcome to DU dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #117

Perfectly clean elections... except for the blacklisting BY THE GOVT of 30% of the voters ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #144

You won't get far with stating the facts to some people. But thanks for trying? nanabugg Jun 2012 #153

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