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95. In early 1944 the Department of the Army ordered

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:46 PM

Apr 2016

one million Purple Heart awards. This was in preparation for the invasion of Japan.
We are still awarding these medals from that order today.
This is how many casualties were expected from the in nvasion.

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In Hiroshima, Kerry will not apologize for atomic bombs dropped on Japan [View all] jpak Apr 2016 OP

Why should he? It would be lose-lose either way. Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #1

If you don't want an atomic bomb dropped on your country, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #2

Like Iraq? Nt uppityperson Apr 2016 #3

DAAAMMMN Ash_F Apr 2016 #22

Because they took over Kuwait? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #60

I meant shrub's invasion of Iraq uppityperson Apr 2016 #61

Exactly. forest444 Apr 2016 #88

No, not at all like Iraq. EX500rider Apr 2016 #71

" don't start an insane war of aggression'. nt uppityperson Apr 2016 #75

A war to remove a dictator and install a democracy, no matter how stupid, EX500rider Apr 2016 #79

This is nonsense. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #222

Nothing done in or to Iraq comes even close to what the Japanese did in WWII. EX500rider Apr 2016 #224

Right but nothing the Japanese did in WWII compares to the evil TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #227

Really the US practiced cannibalism and vivisection and... EX500rider Apr 2016 #231

I don't know... TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #309

I am pretty sure if we had killed over 1/2 million people in WWII.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #310

Why should we assume that to be the case. TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #311

Actually we definitely had the high ground.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #312

What's your opinion on Russia's role in winning the war? kristopher Apr 2016 #37

Well the Soviet/Japanese war lasted 3 weeks and 3 days.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #74

And the largest Japanese losses were to the Russians happyslug Apr 2016 #202

If the Japanese lost 21,000-83,000 fighting the Russians.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #208

You are missing the POWs the Russians took... happyslug Apr 2016 #241

So, you are trying to,argue the Soviets were more effective? Adrahil Apr 2016 #277

The Soviets were more effective for they were more feared. happyslug Apr 2016 #287

I think that's nonsense. Adrahil Apr 2016 #288

Thus the US agreed NOT to remove the Emperor and post war kept on the old ruling elite happyslug Apr 2016 #289

That Soviets didn't care about human life, after the Soviets invaded Finland, and then Poland, braddy Apr 2016 #154

Excuse me, I had non-Nazi relatives living in Germeny greymouse Apr 2016 #84

Germany was destroyed from the air by bombers anyway.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #127

Actually the post war study on the bombing said the bombing HELPED the Nazis. happyslug Apr 2016 #198

Not really... EX500rider Apr 2016 #209

You forgot the most important paragraph from the cite you use happyslug Apr 2016 #220

I think diversion of military forces was a large factor.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #221

Most of the troops manning the Gun Towers were "exempt" from the front.. happyslug Apr 2016 #236

A Nuclear blast in the middle of Europe??? freebrew Apr 2016 #140

Not that different from a nuclear blast in the middle of Japan. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #144

According to history... freebrew Apr 2016 #157

You are sick. morningfog Apr 2016 #226

As I have mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #229

Yes, I got that. Sickness on display. morningfog Apr 2016 #232

I don't think it's quite as morally unambiguous as you think. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #234

Sick. morningfog Apr 2016 #237

How about the D-Day invasion, with the hundreds of thousands of casualties Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #239

I'm not talking about actions. I'm talking about your dream bombings from 2016z morningfog Apr 2016 #240

Uh oh. My wife is Japanese and this is still a dangerous topic between us. Kablooie Apr 2016 #4

Hmmm... GummyBearz Apr 2016 #16

Another Nod to Donald Trump at DU noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #65

I loll'd GummyBearz Apr 2016 #66

Wow... TipTok Apr 2016 #146

Dont feel bad about saying something, I support your comment, but I wont make Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #151

I Don't feel bad at all noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #168

I've had 2 Japanese wives and neither felt/feels that way. kristopher Apr 2016 #36

Hmm thats probably why they say war is hell, every side did things in that war that they shouldnt cstanleytech Apr 2016 #52

+1 kristopher Apr 2016 #54

True. The Fire Bombing of Tokyo was even worse. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #133

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Depending on who is doing the counting, the Fire Bomb raid on Tokyo caused the greatest loss of life happyslug Apr 2016 #205

It's hard for those of Japanese decent to come to terms with the terrible way Japan waged war TeamPooka Apr 2016 #58

Yes. I've tried discussing with her but it's too emotional a topic for her. Kablooie Apr 2016 #91

may I ask Skittles Apr 2016 #255

I was trying to describe the silly duck and cover routines I learned as a kid. Kablooie Apr 2016 #272

My wife is Chinese. Rape of Nanking, Unit 731 in Harbin and human experimentation Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #121

My wife hates the right wing war worshippers. Kablooie Apr 2016 #130

An eye for an eye. ozone_man Apr 2016 #169

Japan was given THREE warnings from the US before whathehell Apr 2016 #238

There is no justification for killing 100,000 women and children ozone_man Apr 2016 #256

300,000 men, women and children in Nanjing. 20,000 women raped in Nanjing Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #260

I see, it's OK when we do it. ozone_man Apr 2016 #298

"Instantly killing a hundred thousand civilians." Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #299

It's not a case of one being better than the other. ozone_man Apr 2016 #300

They started the damn war. No one cared in 1931-1938 when they were butchering Chinese Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #301

It's not revisionist to say that we dropped A-bombs ozone_man Apr 2016 #302

On starting the war... EX500rider Apr 2016 #304

What were we supposed to have done then? treestar Apr 2016 #307

That's the way bullies think. christx30 Apr 2016 #313

Justification is in dispute, whathehell Apr 2016 #280

Yup, being a superpower means never having to say .. FairWinds Apr 2016 #5

"Trying to surrender"? How difficult was it to send a telegram to FDR and Churchill Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #6

Sounds like you have not read much at all . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #8

"............and apologized for you" EX500rider Apr 2016 #128

I just apologized to America for you. You're welcome. nt TeamPooka Apr 2016 #296

Have you ever heard of Prince Konoe? kristopher Apr 2016 #38

What about him? EX500rider Apr 2016 #76

So the answer is no. kristopher Apr 2016 #78

No, the answer was "So what?" EX500rider Apr 2016 #113

Well, getting one to FDR would have been tricky awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #73

Talks were under way Scootaloo Apr 2016 #77

Bull fucking shit. tabasco Apr 2016 #9

I respectively disagree with your opinion. olddad56 Apr 2016 #32

I disagree less respectfully. kristopher Apr 2016 #42

Defeated and surrendered are two different things EX500rider Apr 2016 #69

A lot of it was to save the POWs who were dying by the 10s of 1000s, and in fact were braddy Apr 2016 #155

From what is said. Kerry will speak for a nuclear free future karynnj Apr 2016 #13

Correct. kristopher Apr 2016 #43

He should be ashamed to speak of a nuclear free future. SamKnause Apr 2016 #55

He has been an advocate for reducing/eliminating nuclear weapons his whole career karynnj Apr 2016 #99

I don't care if he is speaking for president Obama. SamKnause Apr 2016 #100

Have you ever heard of Obama/Lugar - the extention of Nunn/Lugar karynnj Apr 2016 #102

Here is a link. SamKnause Apr 2016 #104

Anybody who thinks the US should unilaterally disarm... EX500rider Apr 2016 #112

I like how you slipped in a jab to the birthers! scscholar Apr 2016 #57

Ignorant, naive, anti-American crap. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #15

You seem to be the one that's brainwashed. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #25

Tens of millions? How about billions? Bonobo Apr 2016 #134

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There is some basis to his numbers melm00se Apr 2016 #142

You do know that Japanese troops fought to pretty much the last man.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #250

Is the name-calling really necessary? FairWinds Apr 2016 #26

You first Hekate Apr 2016 #193

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #242

You do place a great reliance on test scores et al, don't you? Bet you "keep score" too. Hekate Apr 2016 #254

question melm00se Apr 2016 #291

Exactly...When they received the warnings on Hiroshima, they knew they were losing whathehell Apr 2016 #282

Trying to surrender? lol They took two atomic bomb hits and wanted to keep fighting TeamPooka Apr 2016 #59

As I mentioned earlier, the Atomic bombing had NO affect on the decision to surrender happyslug Apr 2016 #292

There's nothing like knowing zero about the Axis, especially the Japanese war crimes in Asia. Hekate Apr 2016 #159

That the Japanese were trying to surrender is post war revisionism. happyslug Apr 2016 #219

The 'Empire of Japan' would no doubt agree with you -- Read the Rape of Nanking. whathehell Apr 2016 #281

An easy dodge. To some, being a superpower means never saying anything but "Sorry" whathehell Apr 2016 #285

Saved hundreds of thousands of lives. tabasco Apr 2016 #7

Your assertion is incorrect . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #10

I'm not buying your arguments at all. Hulk Apr 2016 #31

It really doesn't matter if people deny climate change either... kristopher Apr 2016 #46

Way to stay on point Hulk Apr 2016 #51

No it isn't. kristopher Apr 2016 #53

incorrect ... but unfortunately the CW of several generations of Americans karynnj Apr 2016 #97

there is also the question of why a few days after the first nuclear bomb, they dropped another... EX500rider Apr 2016 #148

True, but were three days enough or is it possible that a week or two might have led to surrender karynnj Apr 2016 #150

30 yrs ago I met a friend of a friend of and both were WW II vets and one had been a ... Botany Apr 2016 #11

Ever see 'Unbroken' Heeeeers Johnny Apr 2016 #19

Have they ever apologized for the Rape of Nanking... Heeeeers Johnny Apr 2016 #12

Apologize? They deny it happened! Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #126

An invasion of Japan would have killed far more lives than the A-bombs did. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #14

Then why did IKE and so many other military leaders FairWinds Apr 2016 #18

Don't confuse them with facts. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #27

How convenient that the one scenario where it's OK to use nukes is the time we used them. arcane1 Apr 2016 #40

Of course. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #45

Ike was a pure asshole. Dawson Leery Apr 2016 #49

Ike theater was Europe, his opinion here is just that. EX500rider Apr 2016 #82

Ike an the others didn't have an issue with incinerating civilians via firebombing Kaleva Apr 2016 #118

I've known a lot of WWII vets in my time, even my father who fought the Japanese braddy Apr 2016 #178

+1 Hekate Apr 2016 #194

Thank you -- Same here. whathehell Apr 2016 #286

I might not be here now 47of74 Apr 2016 #116

Don't start no shit, won't be no shit. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #17

So you would be ok with Iraq dropping a bomb on America? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #28

What would the US do if someone threw up a naval blockade of our oil imports in 1969? kristopher Apr 2016 #48

Nonsense, you are the one who need to read some. EX500rider Apr 2016 #83

Economic sanctions not a blockade hack89 Apr 2016 #96

I didn't say they were. kristopher Apr 2016 #120

Not only oil, but scrap metal and technology. oneshooter Apr 2016 #200

"It is estimated that out of every 6 deaths in the bombings, 5 were civilians and 1 was military." rug Apr 2016 #20

thats how wars were fought in 1950 Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #62

40's :P PersonNumber503602 Apr 2016 #70

87% civilian casulaties does not balance the hq of a starving army. rug Apr 2016 #80

How many of those civilians gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #119

"I ask you: Do you want total war? rug Apr 2016 #136

It is not a matter of what I want gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #161

Rosie the Riveter is not Enola Gay. rug Apr 2016 #162

Correct, but gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #163

There is quite a gap between pacifism and war crimes. rug Apr 2016 #165

Easily said gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #170

That might make sense if wars were still fought with the sword and shield. rug Apr 2016 #171

I do not defend total war gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #173

Yes, you do. rug Apr 2016 #174

I do look at it that way gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #175

No, we didn't have to follow LBJ and we didn't have to drop the bomb. rug Apr 2016 #176

The American Flag gladium et scutum Apr 2016 #179

You're giving me flashbacks. rug Apr 2016 #197

International law during World War II did not specifically forbid aerial bombardment of cities. EX500rider Apr 2016 #211

Oh, in that case it's all better. rug Apr 2016 #214

Something is either illegal or it's not. In this case not. EX500rider Apr 2016 #215

Only if you ignore the prohibition against indiscriminate murder of civilians. rug Apr 2016 #217

100% of all the Rape of Nanking victims were civilians Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #261

Is that a rationale for committing another one eight years later? rug Apr 2016 #273

Live with the victims and their families as long as I and you fail to feel sympathy Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #275

Revenge makes shitty politics. rug Apr 2016 #276

Still not a word about the Japanese human experimentation in Unit 731, the Three All's policy Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #278

Unsurprising since Hiroshima is the topic of the OP. rug Apr 2016 #279

The bomb and Kerry's refusal to apologize provokes the Japanese War Crimes Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #283

I would walk down Main Street accosting random Chinese residents about the Nanking Massacre. rug Apr 2016 #284

Every year we get into this battle. Archae Apr 2016 #21

You really aren't well informed. kristopher Apr 2016 #50

Someone is certainly not well informed.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #86

In early 1944 the Department of the Army ordered oneshooter Apr 2016 #95

"You are parroting the victor's sanitized version of history" EX500rider Apr 2016 #89

My post was not "Rah Rah USA" Archae Apr 2016 #92

Let's see... kristopher Apr 2016 #93

The fact that you think their was a "naval blockade" of Japan before the war.... EX500rider Apr 2016 #114

You are mistaken about what I think, and most other things on this topic kristopher Apr 2016 #135

Quote from you "What would the US do if someone threw up a naval blockade of our oil imports in 1969 EX500rider Apr 2016 #147

I made a legitimate argument in a legitimate form kristopher Apr 2016 #152

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You really think the US had a economic embargo against the Japanese in place.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #210

"I made a legitimate argument in a legitimate form" EX500rider Apr 2016 #212

Usually it's in early August. roamer65 Apr 2016 #105

Thanks. The rewrite of history at DU continues unabated. It is appalling. Hekate Apr 2016 #195

Let me just hazard a few guesses . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #23

Yep. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #33

I think you fundamentally misunderstand TeddyR Apr 2016 #107

Veterans For Peace understands . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #246

I just wish we could have dropped an atom bomb on Berlin, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #64

Interesting thought of what would have happened if the US had the bomb goldent Apr 2016 #72

"Violation of the law"? TeddyR Apr 2016 #110

whether you think incinerating civilians "worked" or not. It is in violation of the law. EX500rider Apr 2016 #213

Wrong again . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #245

Not so fast... branford Apr 2016 #247

Hey X500 and Branford . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #251

My prior comment only concerned the technical legalities of the use of the atomic bombs. branford Apr 2016 #271

No, not really: EX500rider Apr 2016 #248

Why apologize for ending a war of aggression that committed many documented atrocities? GummyBearz Apr 2016 #24

Another ignoramus masquerading as a "progressive". ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #29

" . . a war of aggression that committed many documented atrocities" FairWinds Apr 2016 #30

I'm glad Obama found a way to end the Iraq war GummyBearz Apr 2016 #34

The US invaded Chile and Brazil? When? EX500rider Apr 2016 #115

Covert wars of aggression against . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #117

I am quite aware of history.... EX500rider Apr 2016 #124

a bomb is a bomb is a bomb unless you are positioning yourself as some sort of victim instead of msongs Apr 2016 #35

I agree. Hulk Apr 2016 #41

The pro left, the west can never do any right crowd has taken over this thread. Dawson Leery Apr 2016 #39

They haven't taken it over... Hulk Apr 2016 #44

OH NO! LEFT WING IDEAS ON A DEMOCRATIC MESSAGEBOARD? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #47

Speaking of the Bataan Death March, back when I used to work, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #216

My only regret Angel Martin Apr 2016 #56

I agree but there was a point not to do that GummyBearz Apr 2016 #85

Nazis already had surrendered to the Soviet Supreme command 4 months earlier :p MillennialDem Apr 2016 #125

Sobering footage: Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #63

If those cities were leveled by conventional bombings, would that require an apology? PersonNumber503602 Apr 2016 #67

Yup. Is there a call for apologizing for Dresden? Berlin? Adrahil Apr 2016 #274

Compared to what Japan did to China, they got off lightly. Zynx Apr 2016 #68

He shouldn't apologize. Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #81

Indeed. They could have dropped it on Tokyo TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #158

Now I am all confused, it's not August yet is it?! EX500rider Apr 2016 #87

Columbus was a genocidal maniac. WHY do we have Columbus Day? Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #90

Feels like it with the better to kill millions whistler162 Apr 2016 #98

Haven't seen any of that... EX500rider Apr 2016 #109

Why would he? ileus Apr 2016 #94

Trendy goldent Apr 2016 #103

If the US Empire ever started apologizing for war crimes.... guillaumeb Apr 2016 #101

I got the same crap about being . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #106

There's nothing to apologise for. Kaleva Apr 2016 #108

Agreed TeddyR Apr 2016 #111

Go to the Rape of Nanking Memorial and walk out thinking anyone owes Japan an apology for anything Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #123

No one seems to ever give a shit what the Japanese did in Korea, China, Taiwan Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #122

The problem is that many on DU blame America for everything wrong in the world Democat Apr 2016 #129

Right wing bullshit ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2016 #138

Yeah, not blaming America for all the world's evil is right wing Democat Apr 2016 #143

The "rape of Nanking" was particularly heinous. Beacool Apr 2016 #156

I worked at the Rape of Nanking Memorial Hall for 2.5 years. Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #164

Are you and your wife Chinese? Beacool Apr 2016 #167

She was born and raised in Danyang, about 80 miles east of Nanjing. Full blooded Han Chinese Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #196

I'll never understand the cruelty and evil of people. Beacool Apr 2016 #204

You shouldn't brag about consuming and loving modern Chinese hate fetishizing. Bonobo Apr 2016 #233

Saying how my wife feels is bragging? Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #244

No, here is your bragging: Bonobo Apr 2016 #263

I think the song is good propaganda. Doesn't mean I like it? And I argue with him about it all the Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #268

Dude, you said it was your favorite song. On a thread about the 2 nukes dropped on Japan. Bonobo Apr 2016 #270

"Dude, you said it was your favorite song" EX500rider Apr 2016 #293

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You're absolutely right. In fact, atomic bomb was barely a factor in their surrender. Nyan Apr 2016 #252

The Japanese high command actually attempted to overthrown Hirohito and confiscate the surrender Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #258

That has been a traditional approach to this. And it has been pretty much debunked by Nyan Apr 2016 #262

Mass murder of civilians? Why should we apologize for that? nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #131

When they apologize for murdering 28 million Chinese citizens and all the war crimes they Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #259

They have apologized over and over. And they did not murder 28 million citizens. Bonobo Apr 2016 #264

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Death threat guy, you make me laugh. Bonobo Apr 2016 #266

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You do realize I worked at the Rape of Nanking museum for almost three years. Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #267

I just responded when you said your favorite song was an "anti-Japanese song". Bonobo Apr 2016 #269

Might want to re-read that as he said no such thing. EX500rider Apr 2016 #294

I totally misread it. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #297

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Obama's decision. truthisfreedom Apr 2016 #132

oh my god forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #137

Japan's Unit 731 was getting a Plague Bomb ready Herman4747 Apr 2016 #139

Nor should he. They started it. closeupready Apr 2016 #141

And we finished it. Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #177

What's going on here . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #145

Rather than relitigating yesterday's argument, why not read what Secretary actually did and said karynnj Apr 2016 #149

Nonsense. It wasn't an easy decision. closeupready Apr 2016 #181

Where do you stand on Japan's war crimes? apnu Apr 2016 #203

My dad was in Borneo when the peace time sneak attack on Pearl harbor was made. braddy Apr 2016 #153

Has Japan ASKED for an apology? No? then I don't see the need. We all know it was a horrible vkkv Apr 2016 #160

Seriously John? ozone_man Apr 2016 #166

What genocide did the American military conduct against the Indians? braddy Apr 2016 #172

Many and over centuries. ozone_man Apr 2016 #180

That isn't an answer to my question, when did the American military conduct a genocide braddy Apr 2016 #182

One example is Wounded Knee ozone_man Apr 2016 #199

Again, not genocide braddy Apr 2016 #201

Genocide has a broader meaning. ozone_man Apr 2016 #230

It's too broad for me, if fighting and war is now genocide, then it was just about all genocide. braddy Apr 2016 #235

Fair enough. ozone_man Apr 2016 #253

I think largely in terms as a soldier and a lifelong student of military history, starting to braddy Apr 2016 #257

Massacre/genocide not the same thing. EX500rider Apr 2016 #295

Your question is so ill-informed . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #183

I'm a military history buff and an American Army veteran, and it is a legitimate question. braddy Apr 2016 #184

OK Mr. Braddy . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #185

I read that and many others, I also grew up reading of Hitler and genocide against the Jews, it braddy Apr 2016 #186

Well, um, where the heck were you in March, 2003 . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #187

I think of genocide as trying to physically erase a people to death, such as Hitler practicing braddy Apr 2016 #188

Well, you can think what you want about genocide, but . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #189

If we call a battle genocide or a small war genocide, then what do we call Hitler's actual braddy Apr 2016 #190

Hitler's mass murder . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #191

Hitler was only third to the mass murderers of the 20th century, but again, mass murder braddy Apr 2016 #192

Nothing to apologize for. We rebuilt the country & made them a 1st world country. GOLGO 13 Apr 2016 #207

To be fair, I think they were "civilized" prior to the war. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #218

Very ugly story tailored to titilate those who are nearly drowning in general hatred. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #223

I don't know what you were reading.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #225

You seem to have missed the point. Sad. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #228

Jingoistic Americans just love to incinerate the "other's" children . . FairWinds Apr 2016 #243

Didn't seem to be a point. EX500rider Apr 2016 #249