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happyslug

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34. Tram and "Oil Strike"????
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:50 PM
Jun 2012

I like reading your comments and know from past reading you are NOT a native English Speaker. I do NOT have an English major (and many a member of DU have commented on my English, rarely to the good) but I have to make a comment on those two terms.

First "Tram". Tram is easy and hard. It is hard is trying to determine what is meant by the term "Tram". "Tram" is the term used in the United Kingdom for what we in the USA call a "Streetcar". "Streetcar" is believe to be the product of "German English". "English German" is the product of the huge German immigration into the US from 1848 till after 1900. Many Germans settled in cities and when it came time to translate things from German to English, the tendency was to use translating of German combinations NOT whole words.

Streetcar is an excellent example of this. The German word for Trams/Streetcar is "Strassenbahn", which is a combination of the German word "Strassen" (English translation "Street&quot and "Bahn" English translation "Car&quot . Thus in the US what they call "Trams" in the United Kingdom, became known as "Streetcars" in the US.

To make the different words one more degree worse, in the US the term "Tram" is used in the US as a short term for what is called elsewhere an "Aerial Tramway" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_tramway

Looking up Norway and Oslo it appears what you are calling a "Tram" is what we in the US call a "Streetcar" not what we in the US call an "aerial tramway" (Or sometimes a "Tram&quot . Thus once you determine the above, you see the correct term in the US is "Streetcar" not "Tram". The hard part is seeing why they is a difference between US and UK English.

Just a comment on the use of the word "Tram" on an American cite. Wikipedia will refer any request in regards to "Streetcars" to its "Trams" cite, so it is a well understood difference between English as spoken in the US and the UK.

One last comment: Do to the different terms used in the United Kingdom and the USA, the term "Light Rail Vehicle" (LRV) was invented in the late 1960s to be used in both countries. The problem with it, many people view the term "LRV" to mean something that goes on its own Right of Way like a regular train, but does NOT mix with regular trains, not on a streets like a Streetcar/Tram. Thus the adoption of the term LRV has NOT completely resolved the problem of using two different terms for the same thing in the United Kingdom and the USA.

Second, "Oil Strike"

The term "Oil Strike" generally means in the USA as someone drilling an oil well and striking oil NOT someone refusing to ship oil. Thus the 1973 "Oil Embargo" is called an "Oil Embargo" in the US (I do NOT know what it is called in the United Kingdom, I suspect the same wording). Sometime it is referred to as the "Oil Crisis" and "Oil Boycott, but NEVER an "Oil Strike".

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I nearly confused the Sun with that publication that shut down last year, News of the World alp227 Jun 2012 #1
Thanks for the more respectable link! villager Jun 2012 #2
Page 3 of the Sun may be the world's most consistent reporting. sofa king Jun 2012 #11
Page three isn't a women's issue at all, at all . . . enlightenment Jun 2012 #18
You are certainly correct. sofa king Jun 2012 #27
What I liked best about that link is where it says the PM drove back and "found Nancy helping staff" Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #10
It's not just the PM and wife - you'd think the bodyguards would do a headcount too muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #3
Does he have that level of protection ? dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #4
dipsydoodle Diclotican Jun 2012 #9
I suppose its possible dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #16
dipsydoodle Diclotican Jun 2012 #42
I love your story and your country. Thanks, Diclotican. freshwest Jun 2012 #23
Tram and "Oil Strike"???? happyslug Jun 2012 #34
happyslug Diclotican Jun 2012 #38
I agree with tone of your whole article happyslug Jun 2012 #40
happyslug Diclotican Jun 2012 #41
Hello there... MountainMama Jun 2012 #43
MountainMama Diclotican Jun 2012 #44
love the story of talking to the King & Queen while walking in the park... Swagman Jun 2012 #37
Swagman Diclotican Jun 2012 #39
The Sun story mentions 'bodyguards' muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #12
i'm assuming their security is not at the level of the President of the United States. i wouldn't be JI7 Jun 2012 #5
I think Boner and the Congressional Repubs should schedule a committee hearing. jerseyjack Jun 2012 #13
Slightly better than driving away with her on the roof of the car, I suppose Orrex Jun 2012 #6
Who hasn't done that one or twice? rucky Jun 2012 #7
This is the most I've laughed in a long time!! (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #8
oh my.... Marrah_G Jun 2012 #14
The scotch was older than her! KansDem Jun 2012 #15
Last year my cousing ws taking whistler162 Jun 2012 #17
It's official, he's the UK version of Chimpy. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #19
Family values. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #20
He's testifying against Murdoch today unc70 Jun 2012 #21
No he's not dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #25
He's testifying "this week". Original story had said "today". Pub was "several months ago" unc70 Jun 2012 #29
I stand corrected on the pub issue dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #30
Who's in charge of this family's protection? Johnny English? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #22
Sounds like it dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #26
Apparently the kid has a serious drinking problem and likes to smirkymonkey Jun 2012 #24
Apparently, Mr., and perhaps also Ms., Cameron like to get , um, sloshed, "after lunch at weekends". Ghost Dog Jun 2012 #28
I'd be more concerned if he left her behind at Olive Garden. edbermac Jun 2012 #31
At least he didn't leave her on top of his car? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #32
The irony of it all, is that he has recently proposed parenting classes for other parents LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #33
No child left behind. rug Jun 2012 #35
at least he did not strap her to the roof. iandhr Jun 2012 #36
that is a good point.n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #45
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