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happyslug

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40. I agree with tone of your whole article
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jun 2012

US Security around the President is excessive, it is Imperial in nature. With that level of Security of an Emperor, you also end up with an out of touch leader, leaders who are controlled by the people around them, the people who can control who sees the President and what the President actually sees. Best example of this was the 1992 Presidential campaign. George Bush the elder was running for Re-election against Bill Clinton. As part of the campaign Bush wanted to show he was like a normal American and thus went "Shopping". Everything worked out, he followed the footsteps that showed him where he was to go, picked up the things he was to buy and then to the Cashier. The problem was at the Cash Register. It was an electronic scanner system and he commented that he had NEVER seen one. That made the news for the simple reason almost every large store had gone to that type of system over 10 years before. The Footsteps he followed only came up as people looked into his comments (The Footsteps could be explained away as pre-existing, thus deniable), but his comment to the Cashier could NOT be explained away, it showed how isolated he had become as Vice President and then President from 1981 till 1992.

The last President to have direct contact with the public was Harry S Truman. He was noted for going on long walks even while in the White House. They were stories of him out walking his Secret Service detail and they catch up with him, as he was talking to someone he meet on the Street. Eisenhower wanted privacy, thus he preferred to be in Air Force One where no one could get in touch with him even by Phone (He was the last President to actually use a Train for transportation as oppose to a Campaign prop but that was early in his Presidency and saw the sale of the Presidential Train in the late 1950s, sold while he was still President).

I have not heard of any good stories of Kennedy meeting strangers while President, but Lyndon Johnson was known to talk to anyone and stop anywhere to "press the flesh". Here is the story of how he became the owner of his dog "Yuki", notice LBJ's daughter had stopped at a regular gas station to get gasoline:

Yuki was a mixed breed dog found by President Johnson's daughter, Luci Nugent, at a gas station in Texas on Thanksgiving Day in 1966, while on her way to the LBJ Ranch. Luci named the dog "Yuki", which means "snow" in Japanese. At first, Yuki lived with Luci, but while visiting the White House, Yuki won the President's heart and became his faithful companion. On the President's birthday, August 27, 1967, Luci told her father that he could keep Yuki. When President Johnson left office on January 20, 1969, Yuki returned to LBJ Ranch with the President on Air Force One. After Johnson's death in January 1973, Yuki went to live with Luci Johnson Nugent and her family. Yuki died in 1979.
http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/faqs/dog/doghouse.asp

Nixon was a special case, he was known to have gone to an Anti-War demonstration to "debate" with the demonstrators at the same time he was known to be both mechanically challenged (he was known to break even the simplest of things built to make life easier) AND a social introvert. Why he became a Politician people can debate for years and NOT come to a conclusion for he was NEVER a people person.

Like Kennedy I have NOT heard anything about Ford and the public, but Carter was known to like to touch the flesh, his activities since his Presidency clearly shows that. Carter started the Democratic Tradition of Walking down Pennsylvania Avenue on Inauguration day (Followed by Clinton and Obama).

Reagan was easy to isolate by the people around him and he became more and more isolated as his Presidency came to an end (There has been speculation that the increased Security around Reagan, even refusing to go to a public meeting with other leaders of the Western World, was more to prevent the world from seeing the first signs of Alzheimer's then any real concern about Security). Clinton was another people person and known to "Press the Flesh". Bush only wanted his friends around him, thus easily isolated by those same friends.

Now, Since the attempted assassination of Truman in 1950 by Puerto Rican nationalists) and Kennedy's assassination, the trend has been to increase security around the President which has the side affect of further isolating the President. This trend increased under Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan with only minor reduction under Kennedy, Johnson and Carter.

More on the activities of Puerto Rican nationalists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Nationalist_Party

Bush's administration adopted "Free Speech" zones, areas away from the President where protesters were isolated to. Thus Bush could never see any protest against what he was doing UNLESS the people around him wanted him to see it. Such "Free Speech" Zones have NOT been used by Obama, but no court have ever ruled them unconstitutional (The First amendment gurantees the right to "Petition" which includes asking the President question he does NOT want to address, peaceful protest is viewed as a method of "Petition" thus protected Free Speech. In public forums the "Free Speech" zones should be Clearly unconstitutional (Through if the activities are on 100% private property permitted) but no court, on appeal, has even ruled that a meeting even on Public land, is an unconstitutional restriction of the Right to Petition in addition to the right to free speech.

Just a comment on how restrictive the Security around the US President has become since the 1940s. It is so restrictive, it is isolating and that makes it bad.

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I nearly confused the Sun with that publication that shut down last year, News of the World alp227 Jun 2012 #1
Thanks for the more respectable link! villager Jun 2012 #2
Page 3 of the Sun may be the world's most consistent reporting. sofa king Jun 2012 #11
Page three isn't a women's issue at all, at all . . . enlightenment Jun 2012 #18
You are certainly correct. sofa king Jun 2012 #27
What I liked best about that link is where it says the PM drove back and "found Nancy helping staff" Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #10
It's not just the PM and wife - you'd think the bodyguards would do a headcount too muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #3
Does he have that level of protection ? dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #4
dipsydoodle Diclotican Jun 2012 #9
I suppose its possible dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #16
dipsydoodle Diclotican Jun 2012 #42
I love your story and your country. Thanks, Diclotican. freshwest Jun 2012 #23
Tram and "Oil Strike"???? happyslug Jun 2012 #34
happyslug Diclotican Jun 2012 #38
I agree with tone of your whole article happyslug Jun 2012 #40
happyslug Diclotican Jun 2012 #41
Hello there... MountainMama Jun 2012 #43
MountainMama Diclotican Jun 2012 #44
love the story of talking to the King & Queen while walking in the park... Swagman Jun 2012 #37
Swagman Diclotican Jun 2012 #39
The Sun story mentions 'bodyguards' muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #12
i'm assuming their security is not at the level of the President of the United States. i wouldn't be JI7 Jun 2012 #5
I think Boner and the Congressional Repubs should schedule a committee hearing. jerseyjack Jun 2012 #13
Slightly better than driving away with her on the roof of the car, I suppose Orrex Jun 2012 #6
Who hasn't done that one or twice? rucky Jun 2012 #7
This is the most I've laughed in a long time!! (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #8
oh my.... Marrah_G Jun 2012 #14
The scotch was older than her! KansDem Jun 2012 #15
Last year my cousing ws taking whistler162 Jun 2012 #17
It's official, he's the UK version of Chimpy. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #19
Family values. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #20
He's testifying against Murdoch today unc70 Jun 2012 #21
No he's not dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #25
He's testifying "this week". Original story had said "today". Pub was "several months ago" unc70 Jun 2012 #29
I stand corrected on the pub issue dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #30
Who's in charge of this family's protection? Johnny English? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #22
Sounds like it dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #26
Apparently the kid has a serious drinking problem and likes to smirkymonkey Jun 2012 #24
Apparently, Mr., and perhaps also Ms., Cameron like to get , um, sloshed, "after lunch at weekends". Ghost Dog Jun 2012 #28
I'd be more concerned if he left her behind at Olive Garden. edbermac Jun 2012 #31
At least he didn't leave her on top of his car? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #32
The irony of it all, is that he has recently proposed parenting classes for other parents LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #33
No child left behind. rug Jun 2012 #35
at least he did not strap her to the roof. iandhr Jun 2012 #36
that is a good point.n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #45
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