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happyslug

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52. So we keep a person who OPPOSED Democracy, but get rid of one who did support rule by the people
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:22 AM
Apr 2016

People may not like Jackson, but he did what the people of his time period wanted. Jackson supported the people and opposed the banks. Hamilton supported the banks and opposed the people. Both owned slaves, (Jackson a lot more then Hamilton) but it was Hamilton whose banks held mortgages on slaves.

Yes, Jackson had told the Civilized tribes to move west, for the troops he had available to enforce the Supreme Court's decision had been promised by their home states the lands those tribes were on when Jackson advised them to move (Technically the move was an ORDER by CONGRESS and was enforced by Van Buren when Van Buren succeeded Jackson as President). Only part of the Cherokees listen to Jackson (and that was via Sam Houston) and that part suffered little. The problem the majority of the Tribe waited till the Georgia Militia showed up to remove them. The Regular US Army was assigned the task of transporting the tribes west, but do to the speed of the Removal by the North Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee Militia, the Regular US Army had only the supply to move 1/5th of the tribes (The plan was to move the tribes in five movements, but do to the demand for the lands, the tribes all had to go in one movement).

Jackson blamed the Tribes themselves for the trail of tears, they waited to long to move.

AS to Hamilton, he was the author of the excise tax on whiskey, that lead to the Whiskey rebellion of the early 1790s. It would have been a blood bath, except Yellow Fever hit Philadelphia in the Summer of 1791, and Congress did not allocated any money to put down the rebellion till 1793. By 1793 the local leaders had managed to calm down the residents of Western Pennsylvania so when Washington did lead the Army to Pittsburgh in 1793, they was little fighting (Had the invasion occurred in 1792, it would have lead to massive bloodshed). The Whiskey Rebellion was organized through the Western Pennsylvania Militia (Which by law every male between the ages of 18 and 45 was a member of at the time). Do to Hamilton's failure to open up New Orleans to US Trade, the only real trade good Western Pennsylvania had in the 1790s was Whiskey, and given the lack of any form of money, whiskey was also used as money in Western Pennsylvania. Thus was far as the rebels were concern Hamilton was taxing money, not wealth or even items, with his tax on whiskey. The Whiskey tax in effect was if you had $10 in cash, you owned the Government a Dollar in tax, but if you owned $100,000 in land or any other type of property, you did not have to pay anything. This had been common in the Colonial era, thus Hamilton knew what he was doing when he passed the Whiskey tax, but given most people on the frontier supported Jefferson, Hamilton did not care is his tax on whiskey was unpopular (Until it caused open rebellion, which could not be suppressed in 1792, by 1793 suppression of that rebellion was important to Hamilton, even at the cost of NOT enforcing the Whiskey tax, which is one of the things Hamilton did in 1792-1793 period).

Hamiltons view on the US GOvernment:

During the convention, Hamilton constructed a draft for the Constitution based on the convention debates, but he never presented it. This draft had most of the features of the actual Constitution. In this draft, the Senate was to be elected in proportion to the population, being two-fifths the size of the House, and the President and Senators were to be elected through complex multistage elections, in which chosen electors would elect smaller bodies of electors; they would hold office for life, but were removable for misconduct. The President would have an absolute veto. The Supreme Court was to have immediate jurisdiction over all law suits involving the United States, and state governors were to be appointed by the federal government

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton#cite_note-67


Sorry, Yes, Jackson held slaves and ordered the removal of First Americans, but it was Hamilton that wanted a rule by the Elite of the US not the people, and who preferred the Banks having power not the people.

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Hamilton > War criminal Jackson nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
Cool! beastie boy Apr 2016 #3
True he is one person who has history with our money. Person 2713 Apr 2016 #8
So we keep a person who OPPOSED Democracy, but get rid of one who did support rule by the people happyslug Apr 2016 #52
"People may not like Jackson, but he did what the people of his time period wanted." yellowcanine Apr 2016 #56
Jackson denied to bailout the big banks of his era GummyBearz Apr 2016 #63
That would be more appropriate 2naSalit Apr 2016 #2
How homegirl Apr 2016 #4
Quite welcome 2naSalit Apr 2016 #21
How would someone mange never to touch a $20 note? iandhr Apr 2016 #16
Ever been to or near a 2naSalit Apr 2016 #22
Thank you for your explanation. iandhr Apr 2016 #25
Understood. 2naSalit Apr 2016 #26
I live right next to a reservation in AZ. former9thward Apr 2016 #43
I am sure that 2naSalit Apr 2016 #44
Till the 1960s, change was much more important then bills happyslug Apr 2016 #55
I think they mean front on 20 and collage on back of 10 yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #29
Hard to tell from the explanation 2naSalit Apr 2016 #31
going to be exciting to find out who is going to be on the bill tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #5
I'd like to nominate LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2016 #11
Whomever it is I think it will be great davidpdx Apr 2016 #13
I'd suggest they go with the outcome of last year's "Women on the $20" campaign. Chan790 Apr 2016 #36
Thanks for posting that, very informative, and I completely agree! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #50
Andrew Jackson's "greatest accomplishment"... PoliticAverse Apr 2016 #6
Very informative 2naSalit Apr 2016 #23
He was the Trump of his day. sofa king Apr 2016 #35
And supported the Jury's finding that the Assassin was insane. happyslug Apr 2016 #53
A compromise idea . . . . MosheFeingold Apr 2016 #64
If repugs are still in power elmac Apr 2016 #7
I hope he puts Francis Perkins on the twenty jaysunb Apr 2016 #9
Francis Perkins has my vote. iandhr Apr 2016 #15
It would be a great choice, in many respects.......................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #17
Thank you, turbinetree! Octafish Apr 2016 #39
Your welcome.............................and Thank you...................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #47
"Frances" smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #59
+1 :) n/t jaysunb Apr 2016 #67
I don't see why we couldn't do what a lot of other countries do—namely, issue several Gene Debs Apr 2016 #10
I vote Harriet Tubman. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #12
Me too, and not just because she's a great American hero. Frank Cannon Apr 2016 #24
I think if I went through what she did christx30 Apr 2016 #34
The one used by the Women on $20 campaign doesn't look pissed off... Chan790 Apr 2016 #42
Thank you Lin-Manuel Miranda. iandhr Apr 2016 #14
Yes, lets remove one man for owing slaves, but keep another slave owner happyslug Apr 2016 #61
I'm hoping to find out how many retailers will reject it as counterfeit IronLionZion Apr 2016 #18
Most cash handlers 2naSalit Apr 2016 #27
Yeah, I was thinking of the willfully ignorant IronLionZion Apr 2016 #37
Got me on that one 2naSalit Apr 2016 #38
Watch it be Nancy Reagan Reter Apr 2016 #19
Ugh! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #28
Should remove Hamilton, not just Jackson rockfordfile Apr 2016 #20
They will never change Reagan airport at least in our lifetime yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #30
Just don't go as far as the Euro. mwooldri Apr 2016 #33
How was Hamilton a far right facist conservative? kwassa Apr 2016 #41
He opposed anything to help the poor happyslug Apr 2016 #54
You are trying to force complicated human beings into simplistic catagories of "good" and "evil". Odin2005 Apr 2016 #66
I never did with Hamiton, but Hamilton was never one for the 99%. happyslug Apr 2016 #68
Projecting modcern ideological catagories on people from the 18th Century is idiotic. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #51
You do realize... iandhr Apr 2016 #62
It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it! Odin2005 Apr 2016 #65
Screw Jackson pengu Apr 2016 #32
"Honoring" a person by putting their face on a banknote? Califonz Apr 2016 #40
Ben Franklin would have loved it happyslug Apr 2016 #58
Never let it be said that a Broadway Musical doesn't affect practical matters alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #45
And historians are questioning the plays accuracy. happyslug Apr 2016 #60
Jackson was President houston16revival Apr 2016 #46
Hamilton a particular hero of American finance, Jackson a particular villain Shoonra Apr 2016 #48
Jackson's attack on the Bank of the US did NOT cause the 1837 Panic. happyslug Apr 2016 #57
Oh yes yes yes! DebJ Apr 2016 #49
I'd rather do national monuments and landmarks rather than people davidn3600 Apr 2016 #69
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