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27. So now, Capriles is a war criminal...

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:05 PM

Jun 2012

And a far right politician?

Would you care to give any argument supporting that very peculiar view?
Not even the Venezuelan chavista say what you say... because it sounds very funny and strange in our internal context.

Just in case, for the 3 or 4 usual witch-hunters in DU, I'm a Venezuelan and have always militated in socialist or marxist organizations. For me, Capriles is a centrist - so not my cup of tea indeed - but he clearly is left to the US Democratic party which, for Venezuelan standards, is a (kind of center) right wing party. Not an extreme right wing party, like the Republican party is, but still not a progressive party.

In his proposals ('officialization' of all social programs in the Constitution, complete disarm of the population, a significant increase in the public investment in education and a reduction of the military spending), Capriles if left to (almost) any US Democratic party leader.

I'm curious: do you consider Obama to be a far right winger too?

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This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #1

We always call them "paid thugs" when they are not capitalist, greedy thugs, nanabugg Jun 2012 #18

Well, golly gee! bitchkitty Jun 2012 #2

I'm no fan of Chavez, but I hope he lives until election day. joshcryer Jun 2012 #5

Jesus, you guys kill me. bitchkitty Jun 2012 #21

I was distinguishing myself from your grotesque "vulture" characterization. joshcryer Jun 2012 #31

It would be reactionary and miserable if Capriles wins Ken Burch Jun 2012 #51

This is just false, the primary polls have him polling across all demographics. joshcryer Jun 2012 #72

Yea, sure. bitchkitty Jun 2012 #63

Yeah, because the "vultures" weren't circling in Caprile's registration thread. joshcryer Jun 2012 #73

Is Capriles ill? bitchkitty Jun 2012 #84

Nope, but Chavista's tried to assassinate him. joshcryer Jun 2012 #86

WOW. bitchkitty Jun 2012 #91

so you didn't hear about the Capriles rally in Caracas where Chavistas were shooting Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #92

Have you heard about the bitchkitty Jun 2012 #93

here you go Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #94

I repeat, bitchkitty Jun 2012 #95

those who deny reality make me wonder. n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #96

Those who front for the right wing make me sick. n/t bitchkitty Jun 2012 #108

attempted assassinations make me sick n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #121

Justice First is left of the Progressive Caucus. joshcryer Jun 2012 #124

Oh, really? bitchkitty Jun 2012 #127

Designations used doesn't change that their policies are left of our progressive caucus. joshcryer Jun 2012 #128

Because of course Capriles is a saint who bitchkitty Jun 2012 #129

Hugo Chávez launches re-election bid in front of thousands of supporters dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #3

Chavez = tens of thousands. Capriles = hundreds of thousands. joshcryer Jun 2012 #4

Might depend on who's doing the reporting dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #6

I saw both. joshcryer Jun 2012 #7

While your hate for Chavez and the left in general is more adorable than harmful... harmonicon Jun 2012 #8

For what it's worth I hope with every fiber of my being that he lives until Oct. 7th. joshcryer Jun 2012 #9

You say that as if there's no possible way that the people of Venezuela Ken Burch Jun 2012 #67

I did not say that, you're saying I'm ruling out that possiblity, it's simply untrue. joshcryer Jun 2012 #77

Looks as if they put a platform on top of a truck. Looks like a good idea, doesn't it? Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #10

Nope looks like royalty wants to prove its superiority. joshcryer Jun 2012 #11

You're clutching at straws. harmonicon Jun 2012 #12

Oh, I agree. I'm sure sold well. joshcryer Jun 2012 #14

Oh, this is ridiculous. You're really stretching. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #20

It doesn't matter what vehicle he showed up in. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #54

Capriles represents the economic royalty Ken Burch Jun 2012 #53

Castro is a right winger now? Privitizing 2 million Cuban jobs? joshcryer Jun 2012 #125

Found another photo taken the same day: Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #13

Good photo. joshcryer Jun 2012 #15

Why not just call it a draw dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #16

It's definitely a draw. joshcryer Jun 2012 #17

Even though you actually want the rich to win. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #55

Compare Rightwing rallies here for the presidential election to Leftwing rallies, even when the sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #23

So now, Capriles is a war criminal... ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #27

Who is his father? And who are his coalition partners? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #35

His father was a businessman in the cookies industry I think. Have you heard about JFK's? ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #47

Yes, we know of Joe Kennedy, Sr. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #81

What does " 'officialization' of all social programs in the Constitution" even mean? Ken Burch Jun 2012 #57

I know, my English isn't good. It means to make them a constitutional right ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #62

It's not like Chavez would oppose including them in the Constitution. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #69

Who has implied that? joshcryer Jun 2012 #76

Capriles is not a far right winger, he is a leftist. joshcryer Jun 2012 #28

He is the son of a rightwing media mogul sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #34

All the old oligarchs are gone, ousted from power. The rest of that is nonsense. joshcryer Jun 2012 #38

I get the feeling that those claims are simply made up Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #41

I want to see the source so I can add it to a list of asinine sources. joshcryer Jun 2012 #43

oh, I'd love to see the links to claims you make about Capriles' positions n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #39

It sounds like they read Capriles' platform and then prepended "is against" to it. joshcryer Jun 2012 #42

bogus claims indeed. could you imagine if Capriles was against free health care??? Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #44

He would not have got almost 3 million votes in the primaries that's for damn sure. joshcryer Jun 2012 #45

There's nothing good in Capriles-he just wants to put the rich back in power. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #56

He has done more for the poor with less resources in Miranda... joshcryer Jun 2012 #70

"Unity for all Venezuelans' just means teaching the poor to obey the rich Ken Burch Jun 2012 #58

That's quite perverse. He means that he isn't going to pull a Chavez and divide the country. joshcryer Jun 2012 #71

The division isn't Chavez' fault. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #87

Yes it is, just listen to any of Chavez' speeches. Highly divisive. joshcryer Jun 2012 #88

The rich were always destined to be anti-Chavez no matter what rhetoric he used. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #89

No, he isn't. You're diffusing wrong information. ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #46

You can't be a leftist and be pro-privatization. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #59

That's patent bullshit. Leftists are not for "nationalization." joshcryer Jun 2012 #74

Leftists are for reorganizing the economy Ken Burch Jun 2012 #80

That's better. Yet, Capriles is not for massive pritivization. joshcryer Jun 2012 #82

Do you have any reference to Capriles and your claim he "build more houses and schools in his state Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #83

I doubt it's overlooked, I think people just don't want to accept that Chavismo isn't the best. joshcryer Jun 2012 #85

No one other than the rich is really a Capriles supporter Ken Burch Jun 2012 #52

Are you quoting the propaganda style book? JackRiddler Jun 2012 #109

Another insulter to jump on in the conversation! joshcryer Jun 2012 #116

Viva Chavez! Vidar Jun 2012 #19

Found a video of the registration for candidacy by Hugo Chavez on June 11, 2012. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #22

The Global Oil Cartels are not going to be happy. I'm sure they're pouring money into the sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #24

the Chavez administration already has declared that former candidate Lopez Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #25

The tactics used by Chavistas are right wing in comparison to Primero Justicia. joshcryer Jun 2012 #26

agreed. when it comes to Chavistas, up is down and right is left n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #29

Yep, they even use voter suppression / messaging tactics right out of a teabagger / GOP playbook: joshcryer Jun 2012 #30

didn't see that one, thanks. I was down "south" for 9 days lets no forget the shooting incident Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #32

Don't get me started on their withdrawing from the ILO. joshcryer Jun 2012 #33

Bullshit. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #49

The same thing happens anywhere, if someone has a corruption cloud hanging over their heads, sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #36

it is the actual administration that has barred numerous opposition candidates Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #37

You're just doing right-wing propaganda Ken Burch Jun 2012 #50

Um, if Hillary Clinton said what he said, and it was posted on WhiteHouse.gov... joshcryer Jun 2012 #40

Capriles is just pretending to be progressive Ken Burch Jun 2012 #61

... ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #64

Totally false. You're reading Granma or some other propaganda site for that information. joshcryer Jun 2012 #78

OK, the gaybashing was wrong Ken Burch Jun 2012 #60

Chavismo is right wing state capitalism that has led to 150k murdered Venezuelans. joshcryer Jun 2012 #79

dumbest post in awhile which is saying alot Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #90

No, the post below it is the definitely the stupidest: bitchkitty Jun 2012 #97

We never see that crappola, not even in our goober corporate faux "news" (for idiots only) media. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #99

Coming from someone who can't understand Spanish that's rich. joshcryer Jun 2012 #105

It could've been phrased better. I should've said it is a crony capitalist state... joshcryer Jun 2012 #104

Uh, are you drunk or just flailing helplessly? bitchkitty Jun 2012 #107

Are you capable of discussing without insulting people? joshcryer Jun 2012 #114

Stop playing victim. When you start making sense, bitchkitty Jun 2012 #117

I have said nothing that is a lie in this thread. The right wing isn't concerned about much... joshcryer Jun 2012 #119

You can't have a state with any left values Ken Burch Jun 2012 #111

I agree. And Chavismo has not been a friend of unions and they recently pulled out of ILO. joshcryer Jun 2012 #115

In Latin America, the U.S. position is always "fuck the people". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #98

Obama had good relations with Venezuela until Wikileaks. Then Chavez got a hot head. joshcryer Jun 2012 #106

Here's to Hugo! Ken Burch Jun 2012 #48

Sorry, but which privatization are you talking about? ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #65

The ones he'll launch the day after getting sworn in Ken Burch Jun 2012 #68

Oh, so it's a conspiracy, you don't actually have evidence for it. joshcryer Jun 2012 #75

Chavez is looking quite athletic for a guy supposedly on his deathbed. pa28 Jun 2012 #66

Venezuela among the Happiest Countries of Latin America Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #100

K&R n/t DeSwiss Jun 2012 #101

I'll say this for Chaves, the leaders of his opposition are worse Exultant Democracy Jun 2012 #102

No, they are not. They cash in when Venezuela expropriates their dying businesses. joshcryer Jun 2012 #103

Nothing progressive could ever have happened in Venezuela Ken Burch Jun 2012 #112

Tell that to Cuba which is pritivizing 2 million jobs. joshcryer Jun 2012 #113

haha good one, but the Cuban government is actually becoming more progressive Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #122

Actually, because they charge rent, I consider it right wing capitalism. joshcryer Jun 2012 #126

Thanks Judi! ... JackRiddler Jun 2012 #110

Yup, it is a requirement for LBN. We always know how the piece will go if the subject is a leftist. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #118

We got a real view of how corporate media cover leftist demonstrations when Bush was the pResident. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #120

Are you taking a playbook from that? Downplaying Capriles' possible million man march? joshcryer Jun 2012 #123