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melm00se

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39. you sure about :

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:21 PM

Apr 2016

But a number of states (notably Florida) have passed "stand your ground" laws which say you have no duty to retreat even if you started the conflict

the FL law states:

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
...
2) Initially provokes the use or threatened use of force against himself or herself

that says to me: if you start the fight and the other party is killed, you can't claim "I was standing my ground".

Before you point to Zimmerman as your counter-assertion, please keep in mind that Zimmerman never advanced a "stand your ground" defense.

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South Carolina entrepreneur to face no charges in shooting [View all] Judi Lynn Apr 2016 OP

I wonder how many people will still want to buy his shitty polo shirts...Skipjack and all. Hoppy Apr 2016 #1

I'd never boycott someone who was attacked with a knife and defended himself. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #87

You forget the other man had already fired off some shots, he says, to warn him. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #91

See my post # 90 below. branford Apr 2016 #95

The cops are not as stupid as you think they are. I am sure Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #110

"No one normal?" guillaumeb Apr 2016 #118

Why did you cut out the very next sentence? braddy Apr 2016 #2

Are you unaware we aren't supposed to post more than 4 paragraphs in LBN? Sad. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #3

I would have managed to not leave such a powerful and inaccurate perception, the thread braddy Apr 2016 #4

Give us a "f'r instance", why not? Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #5

Here's your four paragraphs you could have better posted Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #18

I'm asking for a raise, now, since I have become an editor! Hot damn. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #20

Not if your purpose is to vilify gun owners. There's an agenda at work with this one. Marengo Apr 2016 #30

Have you never noticed there is a "comment" section, separated by a line, below the article? Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #33

Cool story, sis. See post 18. Marengo Apr 2016 #35

Much more important to describe his company logo... TipTok Apr 2016 #41

God...people are such chickensh*ts... mark67 Apr 2016 #13

We weren't there, he was attacked with a knife and with someone else in the house. braddy Apr 2016 #14

No, according to the story... mark67 Apr 2016 #29

As an adult, of course he went out to deal with the situation and speak to the intruder, braddy Apr 2016 #32

Your posts are killing me... mark67 Apr 2016 #49

He called the police and demanded the intruder leave before the warning shots. branford Apr 2016 #56

This part isn't correct: scscholar Apr 2016 #57

Reread my post, I said "As an adult, of course he went out to deal with the situation and braddy Apr 2016 #59

Sure.. sendero Apr 2016 #75

Well, no, he continued advancing toward the guy who it appears was justifiably scared Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #88

So scared, holding the shotgun, and shooting "warning shots" at a man whom he says made Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #92

People who are violently mentally ill, like the decedent appears to be branford Apr 2016 #94

Did you add all those photos? They aren't at the link, did you add the text? braddy Apr 2016 #6

You've made your case. When you have time you'll notice, if you're not careful, Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #7

Oh come on, you didn't just bury the lede, you left it out entirely. branford Apr 2016 #11

Would you please provide the mysterious lede I left out entirely? Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #19

Are you saying I should remove the photos? That's something DU'ers might consider: Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #8

No, I was pointing out that you put a lot of work, photos and text in your posting of the story, braddy Apr 2016 #9

Adding photos, additional material beneath the photo is not acceptable? Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #15

I'll inquire again, what were the photos intended to demonstrate or prove? nt branford Apr 2016 #24

Notice they never can answer Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #27

Might consider the photos for what exactly? branford Apr 2016 #12

You misread my response. I was speaking of the poster's resentment I included photos. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #16

What exactly was the reason for the photos? A link to say a video of the entire incident so we could cstanleytech Apr 2016 #36

Oh, he understands perfectly well. Your intent is clear. Marengo Apr 2016 #37

How do you know he pulled a knife and threatened him with it? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #76

Read my posts, or the article, the very next sentence that was left out of the OP is...... braddy Apr 2016 #78

According to? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #79

Do your own research, the thread is right here, you are reading it. braddy Apr 2016 #80

Exactly, according to the shooter, and why should we believe him? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #81

Take it up with the investigators who decided what happened. braddy Apr 2016 #82

Well, for starters and at the very least, Stephenson wasn't the one criminally trespassing, branford Apr 2016 #90

What a strange story madville Apr 2016 #10

It's good you got that out of your system, apparently. Sure, he should have killed him. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #17

In an earlier account, the family said something entirely different. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #21

From another earlier article published in Greenville, S.C.: Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #22

Homicide does not mean murder. branford Apr 2016 #23

Thanks. Didn't know that. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #25

SOMETHING TO BEAR IN MIND! cynzke Apr 2016 #26

It depends on the state law - defending your castle or stand your ground csziggy Apr 2016 #28

you sure about : melm00se Apr 2016 #39

Legal experts say that the Florida law does remove the duty to retreat csziggy Apr 2016 #40

"Stand your ground" is an expansion of, not the same as, the "Castle Doctrine." branford Apr 2016 #43

While I agree about innocents not needing to "cower" csziggy Apr 2016 #45

You're generally citing cases where juries have rejected the defenses. branford Apr 2016 #46

I wonder how many of the people who are dead think the system is working csziggy Apr 2016 #47

First, we need to be careful to distinguish basic self-defense, Castle Doctrine, branford Apr 2016 #48

Back the the case in the OP - the man had no reason to carry his gun out csziggy Apr 2016 #50

Whether you want to admit it or not, branford Apr 2016 #58

Whitman did not become violent until Stephenson fired his gun csziggy Apr 2016 #74

I don't know for a fact Stephenson is a gun fancier. But many gun fanciers have acquired weapons Hoyt Apr 2016 #84

So, as a rule, branford Apr 2016 #89

How nice for you, but your experience is not universal... Marengo Apr 2016 #114

And we accuse Fox News of being disingenuous fake news. Calista241 Apr 2016 #31

That about sums up the thread. N/T beevul Apr 2016 #112

looks like a justified shooting, good decision nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #34

911 audio from 'castle' shooting Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #38

Maybe he should have let him take a few whack with the knife... TipTok Apr 2016 #42

According to the photos in the OP, Stephenson was both rich and a republican. branford Apr 2016 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Apr 2016 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Apr 2016 #52

No... mark67 Apr 2016 #53

Stephenson looks like the stereotypical rich republican little snot, however its hard to fault him tularetom Apr 2016 #54

How is the the shooters political affiliation or wealth relevant at all to the story, branford Apr 2016 #61

I'm not "conceding" shit, I'd probably do the same thing in similar circumstances tularetom Apr 2016 #62

So, you're judging his value or actions based exclusively or primarily on his appearance branford Apr 2016 #63

Actually I'm not judging his "actions" at all tularetom Apr 2016 #64

"Class based stereotyping" is acceptable? Really? branford Apr 2016 #66

You would have been a real hoot on the streets of Paris in 1793 tularetom Apr 2016 #70

While I certainly don't agree with Trump and Romney, branford Apr 2016 #71

That's it, finally you have nailed it! tularetom Apr 2016 #73

What "currently passes?" branford Apr 2016 #93

Whatever tularetom Apr 2016 #100

A terrified little man with a gun leads to a predictable outcome. guillaumeb Apr 2016 #55

Did you even read the the whole linked article? branford Apr 2016 #60

When I was 15 I knocked on my girlfriend's window at night... mark67 Apr 2016 #65

First, your story would likely not have involved justified self-defense branford Apr 2016 #68

No...actually what I'm saying is... mark67 Apr 2016 #86

It's not a binary choice between "pinning a medal on the shooter" branford Apr 2016 #96

Respectfully, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about... mark67 Apr 2016 #108

My relative is a close first cousin in his 50's who has severe schizophrenic branford Apr 2016 #109

It's actually a simple matter and you are talking around the issue... mark67 Apr 2016 #116

You are stating something not in evidence. He had NO history of violence, according to his family, Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #67

I believe you mean Post #21. branford Apr 2016 #69

You believe breaking a vase is "violence." I see. Your insights are unique. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #83

Really? branford Apr 2016 #97

Utter lunacy. guillaumeb Apr 2016 #117

An older article indicates the sheriff refused to give information to the "news" media: Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #72

Victim�s Family Issues �Castle Killing� Statement Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #77

An interesting area in the family's statement indicates Stephenson was arrested for tresspassing: Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #85

The family's statements have not exactly been consistent, branford Apr 2016 #101

Doesn't matter if they all whistled "Dixie." It was not his place to slaughter that man. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #103

Did you happen to notice that Stephenson wasn't charged with any crime, branford Apr 2016 #105

Sad to hear this Unicorn Apr 2016 #98

In very few jurisdictions is a resident required to remain in their home branford Apr 2016 #99

You have only the word of the one who killed the other. There IS no other voice, unfortunately. Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #102

So, we should discount the entire police investigation, branford Apr 2016 #104

No inconsistant statements from the family regarding "prior violence."There was NO "prior violence." Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #106

It was your own citation about the prior violence, branford Apr 2016 #107

"Dirty"? What an odd descriptor. What is it intended to mean? Marengo Apr 2016 #113

Stephenson was "dirty" because he had the audacity to be both rich AND Republican. branford Apr 2016 #115

If the facts are as laid out, it's justified AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #111