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Bernardo de La Paz

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62. Oh, yeah, binary thinking strikes again. The perfect is the enemy of the good

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 06:58 PM

Apr 2016

Lay off the binary thinking. It is notoriously ineffective.

No law has to be 100% effective to be useful.

No improvement has to be 100% implemented to be declared not useless.

The binary thinking 'logic' you employ would mean no seatbelts because there would still exist cars without seatbelts.

It would mean no cigarettes because some child would get a hand on some and smoke. Or the flip side it would mean no age restrictions on cigarettes because it would infringe an adult's ability to send their child around to the corner shop for some smokes.

Nobody is going to be forced to buy a gun.

But I do see a day when a gun buyer would have to buy a smart gun. It would not infringe on their right to own and responsibly operate a gun.

So please quit throwing up illogical 'arguments' just for the sake of arguing. Especially binary purist fallacious talking points.

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Obama Puts His Weight Behind Smart Gun Technology [View all] SecularMotion Apr 2016 OP

But but but guns are meant to be free! Eugene Apr 2016 #1

As long as they are proven as reliable as current guns in all situations hack89 Apr 2016 #2

They'll network them eventually. CJCRANE Apr 2016 #4

you wouldn't own a phone that couldn't be shut off or locked from use CreekDog Apr 2016 #138

Don't pay your cell phone bill lancer78 Apr 2016 #140

Your phone will still work CreekDog Apr 2016 #142

Lol lancer78 Apr 2016 #144

And my phone does unlock Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #146

Current guns are not reliable in all situations. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #56

Hell of a lot more reliable Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #65

Do you have the data? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #72

If they were, they would be for sale Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #81

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #84

If they worked the police would be using them as weapon retention is a big deal for them. EX500rider Apr 2016 #153

'Not reliable in all situations.' CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #68

Actually, I have one ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #74

No argument about carrying it or not.... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #76

That does not answer his question Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #83

Yes, I did ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #87

You went from arguing current gun technology wasn't reliable in all situations Press Virginia Apr 2016 #94

Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #97

So technically you have no data. JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #177

situations such as? Press Virginia Apr 2016 #89

There is a DUer, who will happily disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #95

That's a specific gun. Your claim wasn't about specific firearm reliability Press Virginia Apr 2016 #101

Okay. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #102

Semi auto handguns... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #96

The claim was current guns aren't reliable in all situations Press Virginia Apr 2016 #99

I know. I have this habit... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #105

Yes. But those are specific to that particular gun not the technology as whole Press Virginia Apr 2016 #115

Aside from manufacturers defect, improperly maintaining the weapon Press Virginia Apr 2016 #108

I'll bury my Smith in the mud... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #111

You could do the same with an AK 47 and any glock or sig semi Press Virginia Apr 2016 #113

Yes, but... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #116

You do win Press Virginia Apr 2016 #117

Yay!!! CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #118

But what if your revolver were a Taurus??? S_B_Jackson Apr 2016 #139

Never... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #149

Current guns are not reliable in all situations. Angel Martin Apr 2016 #145

WILL NOT CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #174

I think some of the new J frames Angel Martin Apr 2016 #175

Same reason it took 80 years to upgrade the M2... TipTok Apr 2016 #135

Your argument is the same as those who argued against seat belts. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #166

The technology.... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #173

Seat belts don't reduce the capabilities of a car... TipTok May 2016 #197

As long as we have weapons without wisdom there is no safety that will ever be adequate. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2016 #3

We might not take gun fanciers' guns like other advanced countries, but sooner or later we will tell Hoyt Apr 2016 #5

Sure - once you get public support for gun control perhaps. hack89 Apr 2016 #6

You just can't handle the thought of restrictions on your bad gun habits. Hoyt Apr 2016 #16

What 'bad gun habits' does Hack89 have, hoyt? beevul Apr 2016 #18

Well, his problems aren't as bad as yours. Supposedly, he doesn't need a gun in his pants Hoyt Apr 2016 #20

That isn't an answer. beevul Apr 2016 #27

He ran away? Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #67

What else is he going to do? beevul Apr 2016 #128

His tail spends so much time between his legs that his inner thighs must be horribly chafed. NT pablo_marmol Apr 2016 #133

The bad habit... TipTok Apr 2016 #137

So just what bad habits does bee have also Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #66

I have no bad gun habits hack89 Apr 2016 #21

Well, your passion has helped put more gunz on the streets and in the hands of yahoos. Hoyt Apr 2016 #22

I am part of the solution hack89 Apr 2016 #23

How is Hack part of the problem...??? CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #39

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #42

Thank you. CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #45

If you're not willing to embrace new technology that makes guns safer FOR SOCIETY KittyWampus Apr 2016 #167

The technology... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #169

There is technology. However your fear of the boogeyman will not allow you to accept an already Hoyt Apr 2016 #180

Please provide a link... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #182

I am sure George Zimmerman felt the same. Of course, my bet is you consider him a law-abiding Hoyt Apr 2016 #185

George Zimmerman... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #190

Compromise... sarisataka Apr 2016 #183

My guns... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #171

How has he done that? Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #69

Is Hack.... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #172

Company, your and Hack's love of gunz helps fund the gun industry, the NRA, militias, etc. Hoyt Apr 2016 #178

I purchased my last handgun... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #179

I guess you missed the racist Bundy ranchers, just to mention one. Or, maybe you consider that Hoyt Apr 2016 #181

If it were a warzone... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #184

The fact you qualified annually does not impress. There is zero chance you'd be in that kind of Hoyt Apr 2016 #186

I'm not trying to impress anyone. CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #189

There is overwhelming public support for gun La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #30

Not the kind Hoyt wants. hack89 Apr 2016 #34

The us is extremists about guns La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #35

How so? Press Virginia Apr 2016 #86

Don't be dim JoFerret May 2016 #193

So exercising a right to own a gun is extremist? Press Virginia May 2016 #194

"Compare with anywhere in the world." OK... EX500rider May 2016 #196

Hold on, a few posts ago, you emphatically stated, branford Apr 2016 #92

Lol. I'm not sure what I was unclear about La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #114

What obsession? You seem to take issue with people exercising their right Press Virginia Apr 2016 #119

i take issue with people fetishizing guns and worshiping a version of the second amendment La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #125

How many versions of the second amendment are there? And what constitutes Press Virginia Apr 2016 #127

there is a version gun fetishists read and there is a version that RBG and I read La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #156

Does the one you prefer say anyone other than Press Virginia Apr 2016 #165

You take issue with people fetishizing guns sarisataka Apr 2016 #157

no. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #158

So actually you don't sarisataka Apr 2016 #159

But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #59

wonder how quickly we would see a shift in gun attitudes if BLM advocated that all black men start La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #126

The Black Panthers lancer78 Apr 2016 #141

"the Mulford Act." CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #150

It is amazing sarisataka Apr 2016 #161

Don't forget bushes no fly list. N/T beevul Apr 2016 #164

Care to explain that Sir? DashOneBravo Apr 2016 #129

Have you ever actually seen people do this??? (the rifle photo) CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #73

There are well over 300,000,000 firearms in our nation without this technology. ... spin Apr 2016 #176

But wait houston16revival Apr 2016 #7

It will help save enough people from being killed by toddlers Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #13

If it only saved one person then the program Press Virginia Apr 2016 #29

More of a success than doing nothing in the direction of smart guns. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #32

Teaching children about guns would do more Press Virginia Apr 2016 #33

Then go do that too. But not if it is just a propaganda ploy to get them into the cult. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #37

If it saves just one life why would you care if the education Press Virginia Apr 2016 #38

I wouldn't care. I'd be glad it saved a life. Read my post carefully this time. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #40

Then what "cult" are you referencing Press Virginia Apr 2016 #46

It's not a cult... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #50

I know. Press Virginia Apr 2016 #52

. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #60

Those are gun owners Press Virginia Apr 2016 #61

Ridiculously excessively exercising their rights. Which makes it a cult. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #64

How does one "excessively" exercise a right? Press Virginia Apr 2016 #70

Reply to post #63 which is more reasonable than those cultists. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #100

I didn't ask him what his opinion of your statement was Press Virginia Apr 2016 #104

You just like to argue. His reply to me refuted your argument. Go refute his argument. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #106

His reply wasn't relevant to the question I asked you about your statement Press Virginia Apr 2016 #110

This gun owner thinks they are douche bags DashOneBravo Apr 2016 #130

They may be douche bags. They may just be guys who are making a political Press Virginia Apr 2016 #131

Both have single point slings DashOneBravo Apr 2016 #134

They're posing for a picture. Exercising the right to carry their guns in public Press Virginia Apr 2016 #136

The Open Carry movement in the United States... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #63

A lot of that goes back to Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #147

I am sure the "gun safety organizations" are Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #71

Smart gun technology is not just about children using guns Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #43

Only if people were forced to buy them Press Virginia Apr 2016 #47

Sure.... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #51

They have big plans...big, silly plans Press Virginia Apr 2016 #54

Oh, yeah, binary thinking strikes again. The perfect is the enemy of the good Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #62

You just confirmed the argument Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #75

Nonsense. It does not take away the choice/right of purchasing a usable or even useful gun. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #80

Takes away my choice of the most Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #90

Ridiculous. That is like saying anti-lock brakes take away your choice Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #103

That anti lock brakes Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #107

Wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #112

Never heard, post some links Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #148

It's not illogical. Given the option to buy a proven technology with a long record Press Virginia Apr 2016 #82

The number really aren't there... EX500rider Apr 2016 #163

Smart gun technology is not just about children using guns Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #168

So what is it about? EX500rider Apr 2016 #187

Read the thread, sigh. Your issue has been dealt with extensively. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #188

I have read the thread.. EX500rider May 2016 #195

It's no news you don't see the point. Reread the thread and try discussing the points Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #198

We are not taking your guns away!!! ( we know you're on the way) yallerdawg Apr 2016 #8

These type of guns have sounded cool in scifi but cstanleytech Apr 2016 #9

How? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #14

Exactly, we don't have to achieve 100% immediately. 1% is an improvement. Hoyt Apr 2016 #17

We've had improvement of more than 1% Press Virginia Apr 2016 #31

Well Doh, now why didnt I think of that its so simple!!!! cstanleytech Apr 2016 #53

The concept is simple. Implementation is hard, of course. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #79

It is not bogus it is a valid problem and one that will be extremely difficult to overcome. nt cstanleytech Apr 2016 #85

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #109

By all means, make them Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #91

Requiring properly developed smart guns be the only guns for sale does not infringe rights. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #98

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2016 #10

And if you are really progressive, you should put your weight behind the President on this. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #11

Unless you're familiar with the technology in its current state. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #24

A truly smart gun could be fired by more than one person Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #12

Now this is the right direction for ending gun violence. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #15

I had a laptop... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #49

I can believe that. There could be exceptions -- other biological traits that could be JDPriestly Apr 2016 #121

How do you power it? Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #124

That will have to be determined by its inventors. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #132

"How do you power it?" CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #151

Most fireams deaths Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #77

Suicides probably can't be stopped through any kind of gun regulation. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #120

"But this would help prevent accidental gun deaths" Of which there are so few in reality.. EX500rider Apr 2016 #154

Please don't let facts Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #155

Does that mean that the gun will be able to improve the intelligence of the gun owner? LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #19

It's a fine idea; just not an imminent one whatthehey Apr 2016 #25

If the police and military adopt the tech, then I'll be in line to buy one NickB79 Apr 2016 #26

I think it could be a selling point. hollowdweller Apr 2016 #28

LOL, this will have paranoid gun humpers foaming at the mouth Skittles Apr 2016 #36

'Paranoid gun humpers...' CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #41

if they are against all forms of gun control Skittles Apr 2016 #44

'Against all forms of gun control' CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #48

LOL, please Skittles Apr 2016 #55

There are places in the great nation... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #57

And just who is that? Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #78

Issue them to every FBI agent, and police officer, they can test them for 5 years Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #58

A sensor that prevents them from firing... scscholar Apr 2016 #88

Would that work if you wear a shirt or coat? Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #93

Set it to auto shoot the nearest heat source. Be sure police get a program to lock & track all guns. Sunlei Apr 2016 #122

I don't understand sarisataka Apr 2016 #123

No.... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #191

I'm jumping in this late... mark67 Apr 2016 #143

I am wondering... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #152

I posted this in another thread... mark67 Apr 2016 #160

There is a recent sarisataka Apr 2016 #162

I have trained on the Glock CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #170

I like the way Obama has drawn a line in the sand JoFerret May 2016 #192