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branford

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46. A military board has similar discretion to civilian prosecutors.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

They did not have to pursue the most severe penalty, or any penalty at all, as the OP clearly demonstrates.

There's a difference between law and justice, and not every infraction needs to or should be pursued. While you may certainly believe the soldier should have been separated from the military, the majority of other people clearly disagree.

Keep in mind that the political pressures well exceeded mere sympathy for the soldier striking a known pedophile. As you note, the solider and many other military members and civilian consultants are heavily involved in training and supporting the Afghani military and government, to say nothing of the many billions of American taxpayer dollars funneled into the country to ensure reforms. It's widely known that the sexual assault of children and women is often tolerated, excused or ignored in Afghanistan, but rarely discussed here to due the outrage it would engender and the public questioning why we are helping these people without doing anything to stop such atrocious conduct. The soldier quite wisely has attempted to garner as much notoriety and media attention as possible. It's no doubt true that the American public is sympathetic, but our military and civilian administration most certainly also don't want to repeatedly discuss the myriad of very sensitive issues that would have lead to the soldier's discharge, particularly with all the lingering political discontent concerning our involvement in the country and region.

The Afghan government and local authorities similarly don't want to discuss how a local police officer raped a child and assaulted his mother with apparent impunity, no less deal with the political and military implications if anyone under their authority attempts any reprisals.

I'm also most certainly not encouraging vigilantism. The suggestion is absurd. People respect a criminal justice system that properly and fairly deals with offenses. A defective or nearly non-existent system is what encourages vigilante justice. If the Afghans legitimately sought to identify and punish child rapists and let it be known such conduct would never be tolerated, the soldier's reaction might have been viewed in a far different light. Simply, context matters. Hopefully, the attention and embarrassment from this entire incident will indeed foster legislative and cultural change in Afghanistan, although I am not particularly optimistic.

This is the correct decision. iandhr Apr 2016 #1
I agree. I personally know someone who had to negotiate with local Afghan chiefs underpants Apr 2016 #3
I was in Zabul Province, Kabul, and Khandahar... mark67 Apr 2016 #23
That's sound familiar underpants Apr 2016 #24
The other saying is “Why do birds fly in circles over Kandahar? Because they’re covering their ass" EX500rider Apr 2016 #35
Not as SF though... TipTok Apr 2016 #39
I say a lot of people here would have done the same thing to the rapist. WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2016 #2
Straw man Tempest Apr 2016 #26
You totally missed the point. WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2016 #45
Good! MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #4
Vigilante justice by soldiers is considered a war crime Tempest Apr 2016 #5
It is not a crime in Afghanistan to rape a boy.. that is the core of the issue here. secondwind Apr 2016 #6
So lets all go around town beating up accused pedophiles? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #7
If not for vigilante justice, there would be no justice christx30 Apr 2016 #9
Cool now US soldiers can murder anyone and get out of it by calling them a pedo. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #10
Maybe this will help you out. I doubt it, but its worth a shot 7962 Apr 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #16
Logical fallacy Tempest Apr 2016 #27
The alternative to doing something about it christx30 Apr 2016 #28
The Afghani was not killed. 7962 Apr 2016 #11
You mean after the trial of course, otherwise its summary execution unless of course I cstanleytech Apr 2016 #20
I know I may well put a bullet through a guy who did that to my son. 7962 Apr 2016 #42
Wow, you really do like to distort things. nt cstanleytech Apr 2016 #43
He should have neutralized him instead Reter Apr 2016 #8
Vigilante Justice!! philosslayer Apr 2016 #13
Good. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #14
I'm sure that child and his mother are grateful that someone cared enough to take action eissa Apr 2016 #15
Its amazing how a few here dont understand what you just said. 7962 Apr 2016 #17
I've been here long enough to see enough DUers defend pedophiles eissa Apr 2016 #18
He didn't step in Tempest Apr 2016 #25
You support turning a blind eye to rapists. n/t christx30 Apr 2016 #29
Sadly, you obviously know nothing of what you speak, 7962 Apr 2016 #40
They live in a patriarchal society ruled by authoritarian men who hold all the power. procon Apr 2016 #38
Very good. 840high Apr 2016 #19
Good. Fuck rapists. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #21
I am happy vigilante justice MyNameGoesHere Apr 2016 #22
If he wasn't in uniform, the vigilantes wouldn't be so keen on applauding lawbreakers. procon Apr 2016 #30
Don't be so sure he'd be in jail in the USA. branford Apr 2016 #31
Then where does it stop? procon Apr 2016 #32
In the real world, matters are not so simple and binary. branford Apr 2016 #34
This was the military board, not a civilian court, procon Apr 2016 #37
A military board has similar discretion to civilian prosecutors. branford Apr 2016 #46
Doubtful a US jury would vote to convict a similar action here. 7962 Apr 2016 #41
De oppresso liber mahina Apr 2016 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #36
"I don't feel bad for the victim if you can call him that." If he actually did what cstanleytech Apr 2016 #44
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